Social ⚔️ Palestine, Israel war.

[sup42]

Pretty fkd up eh if you are trapped in their right now knowing Hamas has probably committed you and your family for death.

Israelis being held hostage, a whole people being held hostage by Israel, groups of Palestinians being held hostage by HAMAs and their suicidal ideology.

 

[NZDoug]

However, Israel maintains a policy of deliberate ambiguity, never officially denying nor admitting to having nuclear weapons, instead repeating over the years that "Israel will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East".[22][23][24] Israel has also declined to sign the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), despite international pressure to do so, saying that would be contrary to its national security interests.[25]

Additionally, Israel developed the Begin Doctrine of counter-proliferation and preventive strikes, denying other regional actors the ability to acquire their own nuclear weapons. The Israeli Air Force conducted Operation Opera and Operation Orchard, destroying the Iraqi and Syrian nuclear reactors in 1981 and 2007, respectively, and the Stuxnet malwarethat severely damaged Iranian nuclear facilities in 2010 is thought to have been developed jointly by the United States and Israel. As of 2019, Israel remains the only country in the Middle East believed to possess nuclear weapons.[21] The Samson Option refers to Israel's deterrence strategyof massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel.[26]

Israel began to investigate the nuclear field soon after it declared independence in 1948 and, with French co-operation, secretly began building the Negev Nuclear Research Center,[d] a facility near Dimona housing a nuclear reactor and reprocessing plant in the late 1950s. The first extensive details of the weapons program came on October 5, 1986, with media coverage of revelations from Mordechai Vanunu, a technician formerly employed at the center. Vanunu was soon kidnapped by the Mossad and brought back to Israel, where he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for treason and espionage.[27][28]

Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Beastmode]

However, Israel maintains a policy of deliberate ambiguity, never officially denying nor admitting to having nuclear weapons, instead repeating over the years that "Israel will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East".[22][23][24] Israel has also declined to sign the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), despite international pressure to do so, saying that would be contrary to its national security interests.[25]

Additionally, Israel developed the Begin Doctrine of counter-proliferation and preventive strikes, denying other regional actors the ability to acquire their own nuclear weapons. The Israeli Air Force conducted Operation Opera and Operation Orchard, destroying the Iraqi and Syrian nuclear reactors in 1981 and 2007, respectively, and the Stuxnet malwarethat severely damaged Iranian nuclear facilities in 2010 is thought to have been developed jointly by the United States and Israel. As of 2019, Israel remains the only country in the Middle East believed to possess nuclear weapons.[21] The Samson Option refers to Israel's deterrence strategyof massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel.[26]

Israel began to investigate the nuclear field soon after it declared independence in 1948 and, with French co-operation, secretly began building the Negev Nuclear Research Center,[d] a facility near Dimona housing a nuclear reactor and reprocessing plant in the late 1950s. The first extensive details of the weapons program came on October 5, 1986, with media coverage of revelations from Mordechai Vanunu, a technician formerly employed at the center. Vanunu was soon kidnapped by the Mossad and brought back to Israel, where he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for treason and espionage.[27][28]

Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It absolutely boggles my mind how nukes have not been banned from existence.

The yanks continue to upgrade and spend billions on their nuclear research and development forcing other nations to do the same.

It all leads to one ending.

 

[Bruce]

You suggesting all roads lead back to Trump????

That’s one hell of a conspiracy you got going there dear Bruce

Trump is a Russian asset. Julia Ioffe reported on that years ago. She heard it from within party circles in Moscow.

There is word coming out of the Jack Smith investigation that they have evidence Trump was selling information to the Russians, and others.

That stemmed from when he was first elected and he had two Russians in the White House.
One was the Foreign Secretary. he took them aside and spoke to them alone.
He did the same in Helsinki with Putin.

It is highly unusual for a POTUS to speak to Russians, or anybody else, alone.

He wasn't discussing the quality of vodka.

The CIA reported many assets liquidated in the months after that first meeting.

Trumps man Mike Pompeo got hold of files, that Trump had no reason to see. Some of those involved Israel and Iran.

Not a lot was made of it at the time, but Smith is digging much deeper than people first suspected.

Trump thinks he is going to prison. They would only send him to prison for treason, and probably without the Secret Service.

I feel sad for the Palestinian people. They have had their land stolen from them, and the UN backed it.

 

[Bruce]

Hamas have planned this war.

Iran has funded it.

 

[watcher]

She heard it so it is hearsay

 

[Bruce]

She heard it so it is hearsay

She has very good informants...she is Russian.

 

[watcher]

She has very good informants...she is Russian.

Still hearsay

She has very good informants...she is Russian.

still hearsay

 

[Bruce]

Still hearsay

still hearsay

So it Father Christmas, Jesus Christ, and the Loch Ness Monster Cecil

 

[watcher]

So it Father Christmas, Jesus Christ, and the Loch Ness Monster Cecil

Exactly, which is why hearsay is not acceptable evidence, good enough for your Atlantic mates though

 

[Bruce]

Exactly, which is why hearsay is not acceptable evidence, good enough for your Atlantic mates though

What about Fox News Cyrille?

 

[watcher]

It does not matter who does it. It is wrong

 

[sup42]

The guests who are well placed in the political sphere cannot avoid heated argument.

 

[sup42]

Whoever said the US were sending the specialists in is correct eh.
Hostage recovery mission.
That will be mission impossible. Hopefully they can pull it off.

 

[tajhay]

Whoever said the US were sending the specialists in is correct eh.
Hostage recovery mission.
That will be mission impossible. Hopefully they can pull it off.

Apparentky Biden sent a technical team to help with hostage recovery situation.

Israel-Hamas war: US sends technical experts to assist in hostage recovery in Gaza

President Biden is also reportedly trying to work with partners in the region to create a humanitarian corridor out of the strip for civilians.

news.sky.com

Meanwhile...

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/us/palestinian-americans-gaza/index.html

 

[sup42]

Apparentky Biden sent a technical team to help with hostage recovery situation.

Israel-Hamas war: US sends technical experts to assist in hostage recovery in Gaza

President Biden is also reportedly trying to work with partners in the region to create a humanitarian corridor out of the strip for civilians.

news.sky.com

Meanwhile...

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/us/palestinian-americans-gaza/index.html

Oh ok, that will be CIA then.

 

[Beastmode]

Whoever said the US were sending the specialists in is correct eh.
Hostage recovery mission.
That will be mission impossible. Hopefully they can pull it off.

They better move their arse quick

Time is running out

 

[NZDoug]

HYPOCRISY
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What exactly counts as a provocation? Not, apparently, the large number of settlers, more than 800 by one media account, who stormed al-Aqsa mosque on 5 October. Not the 248 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces or settlers between 1 January and 4 October of this year. Not the denial of Palestinian human rights and national aspirations for decades. One can, in fact must, see such actions as provocations without endorsing further murderous violence against civilians. But if you watched only US news, you would be likely to presume that Palestinians always act while Israel only reacts. You might even think that Palestinians are the ones colonizing the land of Israel, no less. And you probably believe that Israel, which holds ultimate control over the lives of 5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and yet denies them the right to vote in Israeli elections, is a democracy.

To be considered a political being you must at the very least be considered a human being. Who gets to count as human? “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” Israel’s defense minister Yoav Gallant said. Human animals? How can such language and an announced policy of collective punishment against all the residents of Gaza be seen by Israel’s supporters in the United States or elsewhere as defensible? Let’s be clear: Gallant’s language is not the rhetoric of deterrence. It’s the language of genocide.

There’s the nagging hypocrisy of the war in Ukraine. So many around the world support Ukraine’s resistance to foreign occupation (as they should) but blithely deny Palestinians any way to resist their occupation. Even non-violent methods of resistance like the boycott, divestment and sanctions campaign is vilified and even criminalized. Why the double standard? Unsurprisingly, such stances go all the way to the top. The Ukraine president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has twice voiced unilateral support for Israel in recent days, saying that “Israel’s right to self-defense is unquestionable”. Would he say the same for Russia on his territory? Of course not. Zelenskiy ought to see how his invaded and occupied land is more akin to the situation of the Palestinians than the Israelis. The obfuscations are everywhere.


So are the double standards. We will certainly hear a great deal in the US about the Israeli Americans killed or abducted by Hamas, as we should, but will those same voices rise to the same volume for Palestinian Americans threatened and killed in Gaza? Did they also demand answers when the Israeli military shot and killed those same voices rise to the same volume for Palestinian Americans threatened and killed in Gaza?

The double standard with Israel and Palestine leaves us in moral darkness | Moustafa Bayoumi

Biden and Zelenskiy support a war they say was ‘unprovoked’ but a defenseless population will pay for media misinformation

www.theguardian.com

 

[NZDoug]

Worth reading the whole link.

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What Does Israel Expect?

Israel is convinced greater levels of violence will finally crush Palestinian aspirations; it is mistaken.

By Chris Hedges

The indiscriminate shootings of Israelis by Hamas and other Palestinian resistance organizations, the kidnapping of civilians, the barrage of rockets into Israel, drone attacks on a variety of targets from tanks to automated machine gun nests, are the familiar language of the Israeli occupier. Israel has spoken this blood-soaked language of violence to the Palestinians since Zionist militias seized more than 78% of historic Palestine, destroyed some 530 Palestinian villages and cities, and killed about 15,000 Palestinians in more than 70 massacres. Some 750,000 Palestinians were ethnically cleansed between 1947 and 1949 to create the state of Israel in 1948.

Israel’s response to these armed incursions will be a genocidal assault on Gaza. Israel will kill dozens of Palestinians for every Israeli killed. Hundreds of Palestinians have already died in Israel air assaults since the launch of “Operation Al-Aqsa Flood” on Saturday morning, which left 700 Israelis dead.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned Palestinians in Gaza on Sunday to “leave now,” because Israel is going to “turn all Hamas hiding places into rubble.”

But where are Palestinians in Gaza supposed to go? Israel and Egypt blockade the land borders. There is no exit by air or sea, which are controlled by Israel.

The collective retribution against innocents is a familiar tactic employed by colonial rulers. We used it against Native Americans and later in the Philippines and Vietnam. The Germans used it against the Herero and Namaqua in Namibia. The British in Kenya and Malaya. The Nazis used it in the areas they occupied in the Soviet Union, Eastern, and Central Europe. Israel follows the same playbook. Death for death. Atrocity for atrocity. But it is always the occupier who initiates this macabre dance and trades piles of corpses for higher piles of corpses.

This is not to defend the war crimes by either side. It is not to rejoice in the attacks. I have seen enough violence in the Israeli occupied territories, where I covered the conflict for seven years, to loathe violence. But this is the familiar denouement to all settler-colonial projects. Regimes implanted and maintained by violence engender violence. The Haitian war of liberation. The Mau Mau in Kenya. The African National Congress in South Africa. These uprisings do not always succeed, but they follow familiar patterns. The Palestinians, like all colonized people, have a right to armed resistance under international law.

Israel never had any interest in an equitable settlement with the Palestinians. It built an apartheid state and has steadily absorbed larger and larger tracts of Palestinian land in a slow motion campaign of ethnic cleansing. It turned Gaza in 2007 into the world’s largest open air prison.

What does Israel, or the world community, expect? How can you trap 2.3 million people in Gaza, half of whom are unemployed, in one of the most densely populated spots on the planet for 16 years; reduce the lives of its residents, half of whom are children, to a subsistence level; deprive them of basic medical supplies, food, water, and electricity; use attack aircraft, artillery, mechanized units, missiles, naval guns, and infantry units to randomly slaughter unarmed civilians and not expect a violent response? Israel is currently carrying out waves of aerial assaults on Gaza, preparing a ground invasion and has cut the power to Gaza, which usually only operates two to four hours per day.

More

https://informationclearinghouse.blog/2023/10/11/what-does-israel-expect/

 

[NZDoug]

Why can’t Israel have a “FINAL SOLUTION” for Palestinians???

USA says “Fine” and will supply a battle fleet.
US senator divulges info that Egypt gave Israel a 3 day warning before the Hamas attack.
Netanyahoo saving his skin?

Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says

But Israel's PM describes any claim it received a specific warning as "totally fake news".

www.bbc.com