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The thread centers on New Zealand's upcoming election, primarily debating the economic management and policy differences between the center-left Labour government and center-right National/ACT opposition. Key criticisms target Labour's fiscal stewardship, citing ballooning government expenditure #7#272, housing unaffordability, and unfulfilled promises like KiwiBuild and dental care expansion #16#12. A user #7 highlighted Labour's annual 9% spending growth versus 1.5% under previous governments, arguing this fueled inflation. National's tax-cut policy faced scrutiny over funding gaps and legality, with user #215 questioning Luxon's reliance on "trust me" assurances.
Leadership competence emerged as a critical theme, particularly in later posts. Luxon drew heavy criticism after a contentious interview where he struggled to defend policy details #194#199#211, while Willis faced backlash for her economic credentials. Hipkins garnered fleeting praise for articulation but was ultimately seen as representing poor governmental outcomes #45#119. A trusted user #308 presented expert economic analysis contradicting Treasury optimism. Infrastructure issues—like Wellington's water crisis and the dental school staffing shortage—were cited as examples of systemic mismanagement #235#12. Notable policy debates included road-user charges for EVs #220, immigration impacts on rents #299, and coalition scenarios involving NZ First #182#258. Early fringe discussions on candidates' rugby allegiances gave way to substantive policy critiques, culminating in grim Treasury forecasts discussed in posts #271#304#308. User #168 also revealed concerns about Labour rushing regulatory changes to entrench policies pre-election.

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Economic Policies, Housing Crisis, Leadership Competence

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International Monetary Fund, in its latest Regional Economic Outlook, predicts that next year the New Zealand economy will have the second-lowest growth of the 159 nations it surveys

After six years of Labour, what is our excuse? We cannot say Covid: that was a pandemic, something that is worldwide.

Why does anyone seriously question Nationals tax plans instead of questioning Labour doing 10x the economic damage by mismanagement…
 

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wizards rage said:
International Monetary Fund, in its latest Regional Economic Outlook, predicts that next year the New Zealand economy will have the second-lowest growth of the 159 nations it surveys

After six years of Labour, what is our excuse? We cannot say Covid: that was a pandemic, something that is worldwide.

Why does anyone seriously question Nationals tax plans instead of questioning Labour doing 10x the economic damage by mismanagement…
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Maybe because National are electioneering on their tax policy rather than providing truly aspirational policy to improve New Zealand?
Giving tax "relief" is easy vote winners whereas well thought out policy to improve the state of the country is much more difficult.
 
juju said:
Maybe because National are electioneering on their tax policy rather than providing truly aspirational policy to improve New Zealand?
Giving tax "relief" is easy vote winners whereas well thought out policy to improve the state of the country is much more difficult.
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To be fair policy comes out daily so they are campaigning on a total package.

Labour claiming to be better economic managers is the biggest joke around while we’re in a recession with worse to come next year while the rest of the world is booming.
 
Bruce said:
National sent me a tax calculator to see how much better I would be under them:\
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How much better off you'll be with National​

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Total fortnightly saving under National: $0.00​

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The cost of living crisis has made it too hard for New Zealand workers to get ahead. National will manage the economy responsibly so you can keep more of what you earn. ​

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:​

You cannot make this up​

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$40 a week for my house hold.
Ironically more under the Greens and they wouldn't be kicking power people to achieve the tax cut.
 
wizards rage said:
To be fair policy comes out daily so they are campaigning on a total package.

Labour claiming to be better economic managers is the biggest joke around.
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It is coming out everyday, but not aspirational really is it.

For a party with 8 x the funding & in opposition to an underwhelming government - this should be easy.
 
juju said:
It is coming out everyday, but not aspirational really is it.

For a party with 8 x the funding & in opposition to an underwhelming government - this should be easy.
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The election period only officially started last weekend 🤣

Party funding is pretty irrelevant except to spread your messages. All parties can only form policies based on the shit show set of books and basket case economy Labour has handed them.
 
wizards rage said:
To be fair policy comes out daily so they are campaigning on a total package.

Labour claiming to be better economic managers is the biggest joke around while we’re in a recession with worse to come next year while the rest of the world is booming.
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That's simply not true. Take a look at the financial predictions for our closest neighbors Australia.
Predictions are not good
 
juju said:
$40 a week for my house hold.
Ironically more under the Greens and they wouldn't be kicking power people to achieve the tax cut.
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The Greens policy would see the economy crash and burn and while you would get a tax cut the whole economy contracting would lower wealth, wages and increase poverty.

Name a country that’s wealthy and growing that removes the capital from the producers, investors and innovators?

It’s pretty clear countries that lower taxes thrive and ones like ours that have penalised and taxes business, like over the last few few years end up contracting and in recession.
 
wizards rage said:
The Greens policy would see the economy crash and burn and while you would get a tax cut the whole economy contracting would lower wealth, wages and increase poverty.

Name a country that’s wealthy and growing that removes the capital from the producers, investors and innovators?

It’s pretty clear countries that lower taxes thrive and ones like ours that have penalised and taxes business, like over the last few few years end up contracting and in recession.
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Which countries are thriving with lower taxes exactly?
 
inruin said:
Mr Shaw is Turkish on his father's side. In all seriousness. There is always a cost associated with change. People want renewable resources and energy, free farmed meat, cage free eggs etc etc. Then they complain when the prices go up.
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I just wonder if NZ is mature enough in the next twenty years to have a conversation about fusion reactors or if we will just sit behind the Nuclear Free legislation and not even consider it.
 
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