Politics NZ Politics

Who will get your vote in this years election?

  • National

    Votes: 17 26.2%
  • Labour

    Votes: 13 20.0%
  • Act

    Votes: 7 10.8%
  • Greens

    Votes: 9 13.8%
  • NZ First

    Votes: 5 7.7%
  • Māori Party

    Votes: 3 4.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 11 16.9%

  • Total voters
    65
  • Poll closed .
No, just your track record of hysterical and hypocritical posts need commenting on.

It truly is something to borderline have a brain aneurysm eveytime there was a positive government article, tell us all how the media was bribed & biased.

And then post that same media when you like it.

This is why we need better civics and media studies in school
🤣 look back at the thread. Another poster commented that the herald is far right wing. There hasn’t been any commenting about media bias. Your looking for something that isn’t here.

I don’t know what you’re even on about??? And why are you talking about me all the time? Weird.
 
🤣 look back at the thread. Another poster commented that the herald is far right wing. There hasn’t been any commenting about media bias.

I don’t know what you’re even on about??? And why are you talking about me all the time? Weird.
No, no - we all remember your posts.

Just if you need a tip on how to consume media and post maturely...

When you post claims about statistics it looks more normal if you link to the source of statistics.

When reading & posting news stories - It's a good look to know the difference between NEWS and OPINION.
When reading OPINION its good to consider the track record, history & agenda of the writer.
 
Getting back to the ferries.
I don't know the contract but to have a budget blow out x4 indicates that the contract was so loose it allowed the contractor far too much room to escalate the contract price.
If so, that is solely the fault of the Govt. Govt contracts are usually draughted by blue chip legal firms. The essence being that the Govt holds the whip hand. Timeframes, payments etc are dictated by the client, the Govt.
It would be interesting to know what the contract details. The same problem seems to have happened with some of the roading contracts.
The private sector, or at least the big players are much better at manipulating contracts in their favour.
 
Getting back to the ferries.
I don't know the contract but to have a budget blow out x4 indicates that the contract was so loose it allowed the contractor far too much room to escalate the contract price.
If so, that is solely the fault of the Govt. Govt contracts are usually draughted by blue chip legal firms. The essence being that the Govt holds the whip hand. Timeframes, payments etc are dictated by the client, the Govt.
It would be interesting to know what the contract details. The same problem seems to have happened with some of the roading contracts.
The private sector, or at least the big players are much better at manipulating contracts in their favour.
As I understand it they have ordered the ferries but are still working on the planning for the infrastructure. It’s not designed yet, albeit they have spent a couple hundred million clearing areas and in prep work.

Why order the ferries and start work when they haven’t got a finalised plan or budget. Like a lot of other projects people think they are 5 years down the track to getting the ferries, when in reality the ports are still in the planning and budget stages.

They didn’t scrapped the ferries. The port plans aren’t even finalised yet. Why committed to the ferries without infrastructure designed?
 
As I understand it they have ordered the ferries but are still working on the planning for the infrastructure. It’s not designed yet, albeit they have spent a couple hundred million clearing areas and in prep work.

Why order the ferries and start work when they haven’t got a finalised plan or budget. Like a lot of other projects people think they are 5 years down the track to getting the ferries, when in reality the ports are still in the planning and budget stages.

They didn’t scrapped the ferries. The port plans aren’t even finalised yet. Why committed to the ferries without infrastructure designed?
As I understand it wasn't much point in starting to build Port infrastructure until the confirmation of the vessel's progression.
As it turns out it was sensible.
Different vessel's need different types of terminals mainly due to the railways component.
Ships differ in their berthing ability.
I.E. Some have to be reversed to unload etc.
 
As I understand it wasn't much point in starting to build Port infrastructure until the confirmation of the vessel's progression.
As it turns out it was sensible.
Different vessel's need different types of terminals mainly due to the railways component.
Ships differ in their berthing ability.
I.E. Some have to be reversed to unload etc.
When you order the vessel, don’t you know it’s specifications so you can plan around the berthing requirements?

Or does it just turn up and we see what way the trains go on and work something out if it doesn’t fit?

Maybe we need Mike to do the plans.
 
When you order the vessel, don’t you know it’s specifications so you can plan around the berthing requirements?

Or does it just turn up and we see what way the trains go on and work something out if it doesn’t fit?

Maybe we need Mike to do the plans.
If it’s being built for them, wouldn’t they be able to request dimensions?
 
When you order the vessel, don’t you know it’s specifications so you can plan around the berthing requirements?

Or does it just turn up and we see what way the trains go on and work something out if it doesn’t fit?

Maybe we need Mike to do the plans.
Mike would probably do a better job as it turns out.
Until confirmation of that order has been given (which in this case hasn't happened) starting infrastructure work is useless.
Still a number of years before delivery.
One thing is for sure we have an ongoing need for RAIL link between the 2 islands.
Somewhere down the line someone is going to have to stump up the cash to replace vessels & infrastructure.
Never going to get any cheaper than now.
 
Mike would probably do a better job as it turns out.
Until confirmation of that order has been given (which in this case hasn't happened) starting infrastructure work is useless.
Still a number of years before delivery.
One thing is for sure we have an ongoing need for RAIL link between the 2 islands.
Somewhere down the line someone is going to have to stump up the cash to replace vessels & infrastructure.
Never going to get any cheaper than now.
From Steven Joyce on why National didn’t follow this path before 2018:

The interisland ferry decision was the wrong one from the start. As Finance Minister in 2017, I clearly recall being advised that rail-enabled ferries would be a big, expensive mistake in this day and age. All over the world they were being retired, and virtually nobody was building new ones. The market had long since voted with its feet and we should too. Interestingly, at that time KiwiRail agreed.

The only fiscally responsible move was roll-on, roll-off ferries, which do a fine job of shifting freight and people between islands and continents all around the world. With most freight now in containers, getting it from shore to ship and ship to shore is simple and easy. In 2017, it made no sense for New Zealand to be the last country in the world to build ferries with train tracks on them.

One thing that united the new coalition partners was a nostalgic love for all things heavy rail. They swiftly sent the message to KiwiRail that they wanted rail-enabled ferries, and would pay for them. Never mind that four of the five current ships on the strait are not rail-enabled and have no need to be – it was time to go back to the future. The rest of the world was wrong.

They would spare no taxpayer expense, and they didn’t. It is absolutely no surprise that the cost has blown out from $775 million to $3b in just five years. And all this for an Interislander operation that had revenue of just $151m in the last financial year and a surplus of $12m.

 
From Steven Joyce on why National didn’t follow this path before 2018:

The interisland ferry decision was the wrong one from the start. As Finance Minister in 2017, I clearly recall being advised that rail-enabled ferries would be a big, expensive mistake in this day and age. All over the world they were being retired, and virtually nobody was building new ones. The market had long since voted with its feet and we should too. Interestingly, at that time KiwiRail agreed.

The only fiscally responsible move was roll-on, roll-off ferries, which do a fine job of shifting freight and people between islands and continents all around the world. With most freight now in containers, getting it from shore to ship and ship to shore is simple and easy. In 2017, it made no sense for New Zealand to be the last country in the world to build ferries with train tracks on them.

One thing that united the new coalition partners was a nostalgic love for all things heavy rail. They swiftly sent the message to KiwiRail that they wanted rail-enabled ferries, and would pay for them. Never mind that four of the five current ships on the strait are not rail-enabled and have no need to be – it was time to go back to the future. The rest of the world was wrong.

They would spare no taxpayer expense, and they didn’t. It is absolutely no surprise that the cost has blown out from $775 million to $3b in just five years. And all this for an Interislander operation that had revenue of just $151m in the last financial year and a surplus of $12m.

Yes wiz That is a good article.
We put a box on the rail in Auckland and then take it off in Wellington and put it on a trailer and tow it onto the vessel.
Picton we then tow the trailer to the rail network and then we load it back onto the rail network for travel south. Sounds good
 
Yes wiz That is a good article.
We put a box on the rail in Auckland and then take it off in Wellington and put it on a trailer and tow it onto the vessel.
Picton we then tow the trailer to the rail network and then we load it back onto the rail network for travel south. Sounds good
Sound like how the rest of the world does it.
 
Yes wiz That is a good article.
We put a box on the rail in Auckland and then take it off in Wellington and put it on a trailer and tow it onto the vessel.
Picton we then tow the trailer to the rail network and then we load it back onto the rail network for travel south. Sounds good
Picton will need to close its wharves in 2026 if it doesn't get urgent attention.
 
Picton will need to close its wharves in 2026 if it doesn't get urgent attention.
Didn't realize that. However as Kiwis we all know we will have to accept something that is sub par and will need to replaced again further down the line by another government who will be blaming the previous government.
Some things change and some things stay the same.
 
No landslide and no ringing endorsement by middle nz.
- The public didn’t know what they were getting 🙄
- Worst government ever (after 2 weeks) 🙄
- Just because a majority voted for it doesn’t make it right 🙄
- No ringing endorsement from middle NZ 🙄

Have you lefties been taking lessons from Trump about how to lose an election?

Next there will be capital Hill style temper tantrum protest… hang on… the Maori party organised protests already!
 
- The public didn’t know what they were getting 🙄
- Worst government ever (after 2 weeks) 🙄
- Just because a majority voted for it doesn’t make it right 🙄
- No ringing endorsement from middle NZ 🙄

Have you lefties been taking lessons from Trump about how to lose an election?

Next there will be capital Hill style temper tantrum protest… hang on… the Maori party organised protests already!
Such a windy fact free day today
 
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