Jayses, is it just me or is Lux morphing into Muldoon?
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How exactly has neoliberalism positively contributed to NZ society since Rogernomics? I need some examples.
NZs highest rates of unemployment were directly after our biggest burst of neoliberalism the 90s.
Reported unemployment is part of a cycle, there was nothing structural in what you highlight during that period in the 90’s.
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And the people behind this? They ain't on the left.
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Oh really! So the Rogernomics reforms didn't lead to some of the countries highest unemployment ever?
I guess the Rogernomic Recession was caused by drunks, druggies and the unemployed then.
I'm still waiting for some examples on how neoliberalism improved NZ society & social cohesion here.
The negative impacts on society's are pretty well studied.
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Don't forget those that don't want to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, or those who are layabouts, or those insisting on smashed avocado on toast with their latte!
I'm still waiting for the māori version of Caligula
Do you understand the concept of structural vs cyclical? Clearly not.
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I’m far from an expert at all, but I see neoliberalism as an outcome of environmental factors and human nature. We have, over time, created an environment where resources are scarce, trade is global, there is no “benevolent leader” / royalty to decide for us, and policies that are implemented typically resonate with human nature in those conditions
I don’t believe there is some entity pulling the neoliberal strings to perfectly set things up for them to swoop
Sure, if we were designing a new country, clean slate (say coming out of communism or after overthrowing some royals), we’d consult a playbook and have a consideration of the model we wanted to implement. And neoliberalism would be one of those models. But what’s happened here is a collection of things that have evolved over time, and collectively we look at it and label things with a similar theme as “neoliberalism”. I don’t believe we have chosen the model, rather we have chosen policies that fit our circumstances. We’ve just chosen the label to apply
Obviously there have been key moments in the past where politicians have consulted theory to work out what to do (eg Rogernomics), but these are anomalies in the long term. Most of what we do is incremental policy making, which resonates with the zeitgeist at any one point in time
It isn’t perfect. It just is. Is there a better model that is currently working elsewhere, and would be a better fit for NZ? I don’t believe so. I think human nature and democratic populations naturally choose policies, over time, that are optimal for them, given environmental factors
I don’t believe there is some entity pulling the neoliberal strings to perfectly set things up for them to swoop
Sure, if we were designing a new country, clean slate (say coming out of communism or after overthrowing some royals), we’d consult a playbook and have a consideration of the model we wanted to implement. And neoliberalism would be one of those models. But what’s happened here is a collection of things that have evolved over time, and collectively we look at it and label things with a similar theme as “neoliberalism”. I don’t believe we have chosen the model, rather we have chosen policies that fit our circumstances. We’ve just chosen the label to apply
Obviously there have been key moments in the past where politicians have consulted theory to work out what to do (eg Rogernomics), but these are anomalies in the long term. Most of what we do is incremental policy making, which resonates with the zeitgeist at any one point in time
It isn’t perfect. It just is. Is there a better model that is currently working elsewhere, and would be a better fit for NZ? I don’t believe so. I think human nature and democratic populations naturally choose policies, over time, that are optimal for them, given environmental factors
Nice to know you think of me hahaha..
FYI my half brothers that introduced me to league and whom I idolized as a young fella are from Turangawaewae, represented the junior Kiwis and NZ māori and played NSW Cup level, and are by marriage, related to the recently deceased King of Tainui (and Maoridom by defacto).
But you're half right, indigenous round doesn't hold much value to me apart from a Warriors win.
Say, how'd you come by the name Juju..
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Well, a whole world of fact awaits
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Look around you. What you see is fact. It just is. To try to see a different reality is impossibleWell, a whole world of fact awaits
Tend to agree with your post but undecided about this particular point, I mean we can all see how those at the top of heirarchies of power seek to maintain the structure, why wouldn't they conspire to stack the deck in their favour. You can see it if you look hard enough, but whether it's really there or just confirmation bias, who knows.
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It’s a convenient explanation to make sense of reality. My view is what happens is (more or less) a reflection of society’s wants. Neoliberalism is simply what society, as an average whole, wants right now
Thinking there is some malevolent hand pulling the strings is just an easy out. If you don’t like neoliberalism, you actually don’t like the average man on the street, in today’s society. That’s not particularly palatable, so it’s just more accepted to blame atlas / blackstone / whomever that embodies neoliberalism the most
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Its not whether its there, its whether its beneficial.
Atlas is a real neolib thinktank network, anyone can join. Membership has it's price though, bending over and selling out your country, shameless astroturfing, developing SCAS (Sudden Canadian Accent Syndrome) etc.
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