General Your 2025 team

[Nakiproud]

CNK
RTS
LEIATAUA
BERRY
DWZ
METCALF
BOYD
JFH
EGAN
BARNETT
CAPEWELL
FORD
HARRIS

WALKER
CLARK
NIUKORE
SIFAKULA

Great bench!!!

 

[Wrighty]

I did some observations on Rougue's spreadsheet

Was Dylan Walker a revelation at Lock compared to Tohu? 5 wins 7 losses
Tohu Harris at lock 3 wins 7 losses

Who was better at second row?
Ford 4 winss 6 losses
Marata 4 wins 7 losses

How bad wss Charnze at Fullback 3 wins 11 losses

 

[Inruin]

I did some observations on Rougue's spreadsheet

Was Dylan Walker a revelation at Lock compared to Tohu? 5 wins 7 losses
Tohu Harris at lock 3 wins 7 losses

Who was better at second row?
Ford 4 winss 6 losses
Marata 4 wins 7 losses

How bad wss Charnze at Fullback 3 wins 11 losses

Might want to check the number 7's out as well Wrighty. Does that dispel any of the long kicking game mantra going around?

 

[Wrighty]

Might want to check the number 7's out as well Wrighty. Does that dispel any of the long kicking game mantra going around?

For emotional reasons out of respect for Shaun Johnson's legacy I will let someone else do that. Shaun had an awful winning record last year.

 

[Inruin]

For emotional reasons out of respect for Shaun Johnson's legacy I will let someone else do that. Shaun had an awful winning record last year.

Lol. Fair enough. Out of all the issues last year IMO that was the biggest one.

 

[Wrighty]

Lol. Fair enough. Out of all the issues last year IMO that was the biggest one.

It so infuriating / dissapointing/ that a number of our elite stars went out of form. We could have made the grand final in 2024 if they had have turned up.

 

[roguei]

Some people are in to stats and others aren't. Personally, I love a good spreadsheet. While stats aren't a guarantee of anything and single stats shouldn't be looked at in isolation, they do help to provide some context and trends versus the inevitable 'we are shit' to 'we are awesome' fluctuation of comments from week to week.

The work you have done above does seem to reinforce the perception and thoughts of many. Injuries were a big factor in our results this year. Add in the bench use, or lack of, the rotation of positions and those are three pretty big contributors to perhaps why we had some of the results we did in a competition that is very tight.

It's also interesting that when we did get a string of games going our way results wise we forced not only a change in player but also position - I'm talking the Storm game and in to the titans debacle. Then we switched back to what had been working. Then we did similar in Rd22 versus Eels and back in Rd23. I hope AW will have taken some key learnings from this season.

If we can get a good run injury wise and some consistency in selection with the right players in the right spots, I think 2025 can be a very good year for us.

Cant wait to see further work from you. No Pressure.

Have a great New Year

Lol yeah. I think the main thing I'm missing here is a "control". I.e there should be the same stats for our 2023 season. So I'll probably start on doing that. But in doing so I think the stats would make more sense. There is also a argument to be made that we should compare to other teams but I think that will take far, far to much time.

I work with numbers for a living Rogue and I am just wondering if I should run a correlation across your spreadsheet of who played vs the results. I will see what I am come up with.

Yeah of course mate, once it's posted online it's no longer mine but instead the forum's. And if anyone wanted to have a geez at the python code that was used to collate a whole lot of web data scraped from nrl.com and footystats, can do that as well. If the data can be formatted better or if there are bits and pieces missing for that please do say so. Because I'm happy to help.

 

[Iridescent]

I did some observations on Rougue's spreadsheet

Was Dylan Walker a revelation at Lock compared to Tohu? 5 wins 7 losses
Tohu Harris at lock 3 wins 7 losses

Who was better at second row?
Ford 4 winss 6 losses
Marata 4 wins 7 losses

How bad wss Charnze at Fullback 3 wins 11 losses

Really not sure why you use these win/loss stats to determine who was a better player, A because it is a team sport and B because there are so many variables and that is such a small sample size.

 

[Wrighty]

Really not sure why you use these win/loss stats to determine who was a better player, A because it is a team sport and B because there are so many variables and that is such a small sample size.

Because it is a standard practice amongst sporting analysts although yes becomes meaningless with small sample sizes.

 

[Inruin]

Really not sure why you use these win/loss stats to determine who was a better player, A because it is a team sport and B because there are so many variables and that is such a small sample size.

It's not necessarily who is the better player but potentially a better fit for the team at the time. There are obvious other variables like home and away, quality of opposition etc

 

[John Nick]

Because it is a standard practice amongst sporting analysts although yes becomes meaningless with small sample sizes.

Not really a measure that footy players or coaches would be interested in.
Been around the game most of my life and have never ever heard or seen it mentioned in serious discussions

 

[Wrighty]

Not really a measure that footy players or coaches would be interested in.
Been around the game most of my life and have never ever heard or seen it mentioned in serious discussions

Then I stand down. Happy to be corrected. I personally find it useful in providing some indicative learnings. Eg. Charnze and SJ's winning records last year were appalling and seem to align to how they "looked" on the field by the eye test.

 

[John Nick]

Then I stand down. Happy to be corrected. I personally find it useful in providing some indicative learnings. Eg. Charnze and SJ's winning records last year were appalling and seem to align to how they "looked" on the field by the eye test.

Everyone to their own.
Great for discussion.

 

[Wrighty]

Everyone to their own.
Great for discussion.

If it is germane to the discussion then a small point is to note that each NRL player stats page notes for each year how many games they appeared in that were won vs lost for each season. So for whatever it is worth it is a stat that is tracked globally for each player.

 

[Inruin]

Then I stand down. Happy to be corrected. I personally find it useful in providing some indicative learnings. Eg. Charnze and SJ's winning records last year were appalling and seem to align to how they "looked" on the field by the eye test.

You aren't alone there Wrighty the game at this level is played to win and I guarantee players and coaches are doing everything and looking at everything to try and give them the best chance to do that.

 

[John Nick]

If it is germane to the discussion then a small point is to note that each NRL player stats page notes for each year how many games they appeared in that were won vs lost for each season. So for whatever it is worth it is a stat that is tracked globally for each player.

The only discussion players and coaches have to my knowledge is on the opposition players.

 

[Wrighty]

You aren't alone there Wrighty the game at this level is played to win and I guarantee players and coaches are doing everything and looking at everything to try and give them the best chance to do that.

And certainly coaches in particular live and die off their coaching winning record.

 

[Wrighty]

The only discussion players and coaches have to my knowledge is on the opposition players.

The Warriors have an analysis team of boffins that crunch numbers all week in front of computers. They showed them in a warriors promotional clip once.

 

[John Nick]

You aren't alone there Wrighty the game at this level is played to win and I guarantee players and coaches are doing everything and looking at everything to try and give them the best chance to do that.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not disputing that point. I don't think players or coaches would make serious decisions over stats

 

[John Nick]

The Warriors have an analysis team of boffins that crunch numbers all week in front of computers. They showed them in a warriors promotional clip once.