Social Wrighty's Player Agent Rules Baselined

[Wrighty]

Are we adding to the list to get to 70-80? If so then does it matter if they’re better than Tate? Plenty are better btw

Might give a measure for which to add? Or a talking point?

chat gpt says

Here’s a reasoned call on each name: whether they were clearly better, roughly equal, or below Brent Tate, who was a very good Origin/Test-level centre/winger, but not a long-term elite or multiple-premiership player.

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Clearly better or at least comparable / justifiable above Tate​

Player	Rationale
Greg Bird	Long rep career (NSW, Australia, Titans leader); more impact and versatility than Tate.
Jesse Bromwich	Multiple premierships with Storm, Kiwi captain — > Tate.
Todd Carney	Dally M Medalist, creative match-winner, though shorter prime — > Tate.
Andrew Fifita	2016 GF hero, peak dominance, Kangaroos rep — > Tate.
Israel Folau	Superstar impact before switching codes; > Tate.
James Graham	Over 400 games (Super League + NRL), England captain, enormous influence — > Tate.
Tohu Harris	Long, consistent leader, premiership, Warriors captain — slightly > Tate.
Shaun Johnson	Golden Boot winner, defining playmaker of an era — comfortably > Tate.
Isaac Luke	Key to Souths’ 2014 era, > Tate in influence.
Simon Mannering	Warriors icon, NZ captain, 300 games — > Tate.
Willie Mason	2004 premiership, Kangaroo/Origin regular — > Tate.
Michael Morgan	Premiership + Origin + Kangaroo five-eighth, 2017 GF run — > Tate.
Mitchell Pearce	300 games, long Origin career, premiership — > Tate.
Sam Thaiday	300 games, Test/Origin stalwart, 2006 premiership — > Tate.
Nigel Vagana	Long Kiwi career, 100 tries, international star — roughly = or slightly > Tate.
Jared Waerea-Hargreaves	Premierships × 3, enforcer of Roosters dynasty — > Tate.
Craig Wing	Rep utility, dynamic attacking weapon mid-2000s — ≈ or > Tate.

≈ 17 players who could be rated at least as good as or better than Tate.

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Roughly equal tier (same calibre as Tate)​

Player	Rationale
Kurt Gidley	Similar rep tally, versatility; ≈ Tate.
Joey Manu	Still active, likely to end up > Tate, but for now comparable.
Josh Morris	Similar-style long-term rep centre; ≈ Tate.
Frank Pritchard	Comparable overall impact.
Glenn Stewart	High peak, shorter career; ≈ Tate.
Lote Tuqiri	Multi-code success; ≈ Tate in NRL standing.
Manu Vatuvei	Try-scoring machine; ≈ Tate in tier.

≈ 7 players roughly level.

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Below Tate in standing (good careers, not quite at his rep/impact level)​

Player	Rationale
Matt Cooper	Excellent club/Origin career but slightly less longevity than Tate.
Ali Lauiti’iti	Cult hero, brief prime.
Josh Hodgson	Injury-shortened NRL tenure; excellent but not long enough.
Karmichael Hunt	Strong early career but brief NRL stay before code switch.
Luke Priddis	Clive Churchill Medal winner, but shorter peak.
Tony Puletua	Solid forward, not elite tier.
Semi Radradra	Spectacular peak, too brief.
Wendell Sailor	Most achievements pre-NRL-era (’90s); moderate NRL return.
Clinton Toopi	Good Kiwi career, below Tate level.

≈ 9 players below Tate.

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Summary​

Category	Count
Better / ≥ Tate	17
Roughly equal	7
Below Tate	9

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Might give a measure for which to add? Or a talking point?

chat gpt says

Here’s a reasoned call on each name: whether they were clearly better, roughly equal, or below Brent Tate, who was a very good Origin/Test-level centre/winger, but not a long-term elite or multiple-premiership player.

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Clearly better or at least comparable / justifiable above Tate​

Player	Rationale
Greg Bird	Long rep career (NSW, Australia, Titans leader); more impact and versatility than Tate.
Jesse Bromwich	Multiple premierships with Storm, Kiwi captain — > Tate.
Todd Carney	Dally M Medalist, creative match-winner, though shorter prime — > Tate.
Andrew Fifita	2016 GF hero, peak dominance, Kangaroos rep — > Tate.
Israel Folau	Superstar impact before switching codes; > Tate.
James Graham	Over 400 games (Super League + NRL), England captain, enormous influence — > Tate.
Tohu Harris	Long, consistent leader, premiership, Warriors captain — slightly > Tate.
Shaun Johnson	Golden Boot winner, defining playmaker of an era — comfortably > Tate.
Isaac Luke	Key to Souths’ 2014 era, > Tate in influence.
Simon Mannering	Warriors icon, NZ captain, 300 games — > Tate.
Willie Mason	2004 premiership, Kangaroo/Origin regular — > Tate.
Michael Morgan	Premiership + Origin + Kangaroo five-eighth, 2017 GF run — > Tate.
Mitchell Pearce	300 games, long Origin career, premiership — > Tate.
Sam Thaiday	300 games, Test/Origin stalwart, 2006 premiership — > Tate.
Nigel Vagana	Long Kiwi career, 100 tries, international star — roughly = or slightly > Tate.
Jared Waerea-Hargreaves	Premierships × 3, enforcer of Roosters dynasty — > Tate.
Craig Wing	Rep utility, dynamic attacking weapon mid-2000s — ≈ or > Tate.

≈ 17 players who could be rated at least as good as or better than Tate.

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Roughly equal tier (same calibre as Tate)​

Player	Rationale
Kurt Gidley	Similar rep tally, versatility; ≈ Tate.
Joey Manu	Still active, likely to end up > Tate, but for now comparable.
Josh Morris	Similar-style long-term rep centre; ≈ Tate.
Frank Pritchard	Comparable overall impact.
Glenn Stewart	High peak, shorter career; ≈ Tate.
Lote Tuqiri	Multi-code success; ≈ Tate in NRL standing.
Manu Vatuvei	Try-scoring machine; ≈ Tate in tier.

≈ 7 players roughly level.

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Below Tate in standing (good careers, not quite at his rep/impact level)​

Player	Rationale
Matt Cooper	Excellent club/Origin career but slightly less longevity than Tate.
Ali Lauiti’iti	Cult hero, brief prime.
Josh Hodgson	Injury-shortened NRL tenure; excellent but not long enough.
Karmichael Hunt	Strong early career but brief NRL stay before code switch.
Luke Priddis	Clive Churchill Medal winner, but shorter peak.
Tony Puletua	Solid forward, not elite tier.
Semi Radradra	Spectacular peak, too brief.
Wendell Sailor	Most achievements pre-NRL-era (’90s); moderate NRL return.
Clinton Toopi	Good Kiwi career, below Tate level.

≈ 9 players below Tate.

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Summary​

Category	Count
Better / ≥ Tate	17
Roughly equal	7
Below Tate	9

I’d suggest Chat GPTs analysis of Wendell highlights caution in using it. Sailor was a phenomenal player. Radradra was also way ahead, as was K-Hunt

 

[Wrighty]

I’d suggest Chat GPTs analysis of Wendell highlights caution in using it. Sailor was a phenomenal player. Radradra was also way ahead, as was K-Hunt

Fair enough

There are 33 players on your list. I would also like to add T Rex for meme reasons and Steve Matai unless his reputation is exaggerated. I am ok to be corrected.

That would 50 + 33 + 2 = 85 players
I believe 85 is too many. And 75 sounds like a better number. I can go through and suggest 10 to you to eliminate. OR do you want to have a crack? I would like some hooker options in the 75 even if it means prioritising a few hookers.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Fair enough

There are 33 players on your list. I would also like to add T Rex for meme reasons and Steve Matai unless his reputation is exaggerated. I am ok to be corrected.

That would 50 + 33 + 2 = 85 players
I believe 85 is too many. And 75 sounds like a better number. I can go through and suggest 10 to you to eliminate. OR do you want to have a crack? I would like some hooker options in the 75 even if it means prioritising a few hookers.

I’ll give it a go & anyone else welcome to contribute. I dunno on T-Rex, I’d argue that joke is even more stale than picking Langer, Stuart etc, also I wouldn’t put Matai in that top group of players, he could hit hard but beyond that I always thought he was fairly blah, but just my opinion.

 

[Wrighty]

I’ll give it a go & anyone else welcome to contribute. I dunno on T-Rex, I’d argue that joke is even more stale than picking Langer, Stuart etc, also I wouldn’t put Matai in that top group of players, he could hit hard but beyond that I always thought he was fairly blah, but just my opinion.

Awesome. Thank you Mr B I look forward to seeing your proposal
Lets compromise, Eliminate Matai. Keep T Rex. Means you have to eliminate 9 instead of 10 if that makes sense.

 

[Wrighty]

Try to keep the 50 intact if that makes sense and eliminate the 9 from the new guys. Just a post script.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Gun to head think I’d leave out the following:
Matt Cooper
James Graham
Josh Hodgson
Michael Morgan
Tohu Harris
Josh Morris
Luke Priddis
Tony Puletua

That leaves 26 including T-Rex to add to the 49 excluding Lolo, however are there names within the 50 we should exclude for some of the above I’ve listed or others? I personally wouldn’t include El Masri for example.

 

[Wrighty]

Gun to head think I’d leave out the following:
Matt Cooper
James Graham
Josh Hodgson
Michael Morgan
Tohu Harris
Josh Morris
Luke Priddis
Tony Puletua

That leaves 26 including T-Rex to add to the 49 excluding Lolo, however are there names within the 50 we should exclude for some of the above I’ve listed or others? I personally wouldn’t include El Masri for example.

Good work. Some hard calls there.
I want to leave the 50 intact. People could well already have been analysing it. And it would be upsetting to them if we excluded someone in their plans as a depth signing,
Can you please choose the better player out of hodgson and Priddis and put him in - please either eliminate one more player to compensate or advise if we should run with a list of 76 on the grounds too difficult to cut one more. We need one more hooker is the rationale to honour Warriors55 point and post.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Good work. Some hard calls there.
I want to leave the 50 intact. People could well already have been analysing it. And it would be upsetting to them if we excluded someone in their plans as a depth signing,
Can you please choose the better player out of hodgson and Priddis and put him in - please either eliminate one more player to compensate or advise if we should run with a list of 76 on the grounds too difficult to cut one more. We need one more hooker is the rationale to honour Warriors55 point and post.

Not fussed between the two, maybe Priddis in the basis of his 2003 GF performance which was pretty epic. If I had to remove a player then perhaps Sam Thaiday? Dunno, others might say someone like Mitchell Pearce.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Feel Wrighty and Brownstone will have lists and sub lists with option a,b and c.

The rest of us will wing it the first 2 rounds until we figure out how the games played then try to make their team work

 

[Wrighty]

Feel Wrighty and Brownstone will have lists and sub lists with option a,b and c.

The rest of us will wing it the first 2 rounds until we figure out how the games played then try to make their team work

You have half of October, all of November, and most of December to find a rainy day to prepare. In one afternoon you can break the back of a good a,b and c list.
That said even if some competitors come into it cold for the first two rounds they can easily be competitive as this is based on letters so there will be plenty of good players available as the game progresses.

Mean time can you give a second opinion on the following
1) Include Priddis over Hodges
2) Include Pearce over Thaiday

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Feel Wrighty and Brownstone will have lists and sub lists with option a,b and c.

The rest of us will wing it the first 2 rounds until we figure out how the games played then try to make their team work

It will be a set list of 74 former greats, current players & T-Rex, you’ll be fine.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

You have half of October, all of November, and most of December to find a rainy day to prepare. In one afternoon you can break the back of a good a,b and c list.
That said even if some competitors come into it cold for the first two rounds they can easily be competitive as this is based on letters so there will be plenty of good players available as the game progresses.

Mean time can you give a second opinion on the following
1) Include Priddis over Hodges
2) Include Pearce over Thaiday

Don’t worry Wrighty, I have a plan… I just haven’t figured out what it is yet

Hodges and Thaiday for me.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

It will be a set list of 74 former greats, current players & T-Rex, you’ll be fine.

Well, I prefer the current greats really, don’t even know if I will need to resort to former legends.

Always got a place for T-Rex though, devastating second rower that drew in the defence like no one before or since

 

[Wrighty]

Don’t worry Wrighty, I have a plan… I just haven’t figured out what it is yet

Hodges and Thaiday for me.

Hodges and Thaiday was my preference too. Mitchell Pearce was prone to the odd error at Origin level and Thaiday is somewhat iconic player unto himself that I am sure many contestants would like to bid on.

 

[Wrighty]

Hodges and Thaiday was my preference too. Mitchell Pearce was prone to the odd error at Origin level and Thaiday is somewhat iconic player unto himself that I am sure many contestants would like to bid on.

Oh wait we are talking about the Hooker Hodgson not Hodges
Still you prefer Hodgson?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I would like to propose a rule variation: we limit the legends in the squad (to between 4-6).

There is enough talent in the 2025 players. If some teams have 10 legends and others favour all 2025 players it becomes a mismatch? I feel it’s good for the game to have a few average players in every team rather than elite players in every position in every squad.

If others don’t agree, it’s not a biggy, just feel the original intention was more towards current 2025 players with a few legends and now the legend component is growing.

 

[Wrighty]

I would like to propose a rule variation: we limit the legends in the squad (to between 4-6).

There is enough talent in the 2025 players. If some teams have 10 legends and others favour all 2025 players it becomes a mismatch? I feel it’s good for the game to have a few average players in every team rather than elite players in every position in every squad.

If others don’t agree, it’s not a biggy, just feel the original intention was more towards current 2025 players with a few legends and now the legend component is growing.

There are or will be 75 legends and 12 contestants.
75 divided by 12 is 6.5
Of the 75 5 to 10 will go unbid on due to nobody liking them.
That means each team will average 6 players each and the range will be 4-8 I predict

Is that range ok and alleviate your concern

Also let me know about Hodgson vs Hodges typo?

 

[Wrighty]

If that doesn't work let me know and we will cross out a few more of the additional players and make it a top 70 or top 65

I would rather do it that way than making a 4-6 legend limit.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

There are or will be 75 legends and 12 contestants.
75 divided by 12 is 6.5
Of the 75 5 to 10 will go unbid on due to nobody liking them.
That means each team will average 6 players each and the range will be 4-8 I predict

Is that range ok and alleviate your concern

Also let me know about Hodgson vs Hodges typo?

I feel 8 is to much personally. 6 is good. I just think legends should be filling key positions more that slotting in current players around legends.

Happy with whatever you think.