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[Boats n Hoes]

I don't put the blame purely on Dallin. As i stated, It was several factors as to why that side

But old mate Teets wants to accuse me of being Anti-Dallinmitic

For that try i dont put any blame on Dal or Ali for that matter, once Tannah shoots in their following policy like they should,

I should take back my earlier comment of Dal being totally blameless as he did drop the ball that led to their 2nd try, altho the try itself came from both markers being left on the ground, and a top 8 team needs to defend their errors.

The third Trey Fuller try was a lazy arm grab from Ali which the little fella then bounced back infield and puts on the gas and low to the ground scored.

4th on the other side of the park.

So nah apart from the dropped ball thought Dal was pretty good. Some great finishing for a couple of tries, typically strong charges comin out of our end, and most importantly no coming off his man WHEN it wasnt needed. He'll be starting next week.

 

[Beastmode]

Ali will be fine

If in doubt just remember what the guy next to him has done in the past. First tackle too!!!!


View: https://youtu.be/Z7n2J_A7ugs?si=cSF7nRwrFjBswmHd

He’s good entertainment old Dalin!

 

[The Warrior Waka]

The third Trey Fuller try

Speaking of Fuller, How hard was he to put down? Strong little bugger.

 

[Teets]

Eta bei, You're teets...Did you even read what i said ????? Smh....

Read it again. Several factors are at fault as to why that side didn't work well. That includes Dallin. I think he has hypnotised you with his magical flowing locks.

You literally said Ali's problem was he was partnered with DWZ, which is what I initially quoted before you changed position to "Several factors are at fault".

Problem is he was partnered up with DWZ. Who as experienced as he is. Is as bad as Ali defensively.

All I'm saying is Ali's defence in this game wasn't his wingers fault.

The Trai Fuller try had nothing to do with the winger, the line break through Laban and Ali nothing to do with the winger etc.

The dummy half try on their edge, neither Ali or DWZ at fault.

 

[The Warrior Waka]

You literally said Ali's problem was he was partnered with DWZ, which is what I initially quoted before you changed position to "Several factors are at fault".

Problem wasn't DWZ, it was Ali's weak ass arm grabs.

You made it all Ali's fault.

Problem is he was partnered up with DWZ. Who as experienced as he is. Is as bad as Ali defensively.
Maybe putting Pomps over on Dallins side and Roger with Ali who is a better on feild talker than Dallin is. Will help with the defensive issues. A little bit? Lol

Bro... Seriously, I never changed my position on anything. I say here - Dallin is as bad as Ali is defensively. Which means they're equally terrible on defense. No blame being laid on one person.

Stop misquoting me. You've done it several times now.

i am saying It is not good to pair them together.
They have similar inadequacies on defense. Mr Fix it Pompey is better with Dallin. Roger is better with Ali, As he is an organiser and talker.

 

[sydneywarrior92]

yes, he's put the work in and is a legit 1st grader now and I didn't see him as that last year....but... didn't it seem like Phins were targeting him last night? He stood up pretty well, good technique and energy and I think he'll be strong off the bench against tiring 1st stringers or their bench forwards but when we have a history of being rolled by big, strong fast packs he's a support act not a lead. Yet at least.

Without Barney, Fish, Demi or Niukore I thought Clarke, TSS & Ford did really well and gave Boyd the space to look the best I have seen him. When those 3 weren't all on we didn't seem to have the ability to stop their roll on. Moreso when Boyd was subbed out too. Webby was more concerned about giving the roster a run than getting the result, which is what trials are about, but the run on team did better than I was expecting and a far more attacking brand than we've seen. Mellars needs to be polished in NSW not 1st grade tho. DWZ looked good IMO, just needs to stand another couple of paces wider on D

He's also only 21- do you really expect him to be anything more than a support act for Barney/JFH in our current pack rotation? He is still learning his trade and growing as a young lad. I suspect when he stops growing, his physique will be similar to Fish- he's about the same height (187cm or 6'1) but I expect he will bulk up a couple of kgs from where he is now (around 100kgs) to the 107-108kg mark. He is Fish's natural replacement imo.

 

[Teets]

You made it all Ali's fault.

Yeah fancy making someone's soft missed tackles their own fault. Crazy.

 

[SouthernWorrier]

Agree with most, But I think Ford is surplus if we have Fish and Barnett on the team as his main strength is big minutes and low impact especially with his discipline which is a big let down. Without Fish or Barnett I think he should be in the team.

We all have out opintions thats why the forum exists and my tuppence ... im behind Wrighty on this one. Defo not surplus, even if we weren't p[lanning for an inevitable absence during the year of one or other top 2 prop. No Barney, Fish or Demi yet we were strong up front and got a nice roll on primarily due to Ford (good support from TSS&Laban but Ford was the man). And I'm pretty confident Webby still has him at 3 (will be an increasingly tough call between him & Demi I suspect, not through fade I just think Demi's trajectory may prove to be sharper)

 

[Noitall]

Seems tough that Nathan Cleary has copped a 2 week ban for a high shot considering Francis Molo with his history and 2 instances against Jackson Ford to earn a 3 week ban with an early plea. Jackson Ford’s history too gives the impression that high shots and hits in the head will be dealt with more severely than some more accidental occurrences like in his sin bin

 

[BangBro's (still banging)]

I liked the way we played the first half lots of confidence and off loading , the thing that got to me the most was the mistakes, these guys played last year and practice during the pre season.
Is it every year you need to be taught how to hang on to the ball or when to push a pass, even hold on to the fu#king Ball...?
Rant over

I dont mind mistakes if we are adopting a second faze style of footy.

 

[SouthernWorrier]

He's also only 21- do you really expect him to be anything more than a support act for Barney/JFH in our current pack rotation? He is still learning his trade and growing as a young lad. I suspect when he stops growing, his physique will be similar to Fish- he's about the same height (187cm or 6'1) but I expect he will bulk up a couple of kgs from where he is now (around 100kgs) to the 107-108kg mark. He is Fish's natural replacement imo.

No I don't, that was basically my point 'yet at least' - the hype train was getting a bit OTT. He has not hit is ceiling yet. Great improvement year on year and if he maintains that over another couple of years with that effort and intensity there's scope for him to be something special. In the mean time let's be realistic and value him for what he brings to the table now. He'll be getting plenty of game time and he's going to need support against a big side as I'd hate to see him being physically or mentally knocked, and as a green prop of middling size he will be getting a lot of traffic. Once he proves he can handle it, Team plans will focus elsewhere

 

[Canonball]

I don't think they can break it Sir, But they can run around us lol. We're not the fastest team in the world. In regards to Tuaupiki , He was ball playing better than our halves. So was Gannon. Maybe TT to the halves during the pre season games would of been better to look at as opposed to Hanson ? Hanson looks like he'd be a nice utility player.

still agree with this - reckon TT to the halves would've should've been the go last season... he plays in the line a lot anyway. Just caught the highlights of the other games - pretty jealous of Zane Harrison at the Tits, and of Walker of course ... man - how soon until Metcalf is back?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Heres the problem with Dallin.

Boyd shoots leaving a 3-2 on the edge.



Ball comes out past Ali, leaving an obvious 2-1 on Dallins edge.



Instead of sliding so he can release and try and catch Cobbo, Dallin sets his feet and commits to the inside man, even though he has help on the inside.



He still plays the inside man, well after its indicated that its a cutout pass, forcing the inside defender to cover further

 

[tyrael]

In my eyes we traded Setu Tu for Mellars. Then my question is WHY?

 

[Boats n Hoes]

Heres the problem with Dallin.

Boyd shoots leaving a 3-2 on the edge.

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Ball comes out past Ali, leaving an obvious 2-1 on Dallins edge.

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Instead of sliding so he can release and try and catch Cobbo, Dallin sets his feet and commits to the inside man, even though he has help on the inside.

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He still plays the inside man, well after its indicated that its a cutout pass, forcing the inside defender to cover further

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You realize once Boyd jams infield his outsides have no choice but to do the same?

In your 2nd frame Fuller who's playing the backdoor sweeper has committed Ali, Dal in effect is now marking 2 players....he cant release to go out onto the wing or its a short ball to Farnsworth who strolls through untouched.....and good luck if u think Ali has the gas to release to catch Herbie.


No the outsides did their job here, they followed their policy.....people may not like their policy but u cant have edge defenders doing different things or that is just a recipe for total breakdown.

What u need to do is bring up the few frames before that cause the actual disconnect is between Laban and Boyd. As the ball goes wide Laban stops moving up and plants which puts Boyd in 2 minds from sliding across (which wouldve meant his outsdies wouldve slid as well shutting down that movement) Tannah jams, which means everyone else does as well.

Guarentee u the coaching staff will be working on that half/2nd row combination in that instance. Dals problem in the past is he's zinged when everyone else was zanging.....ill be the first to start the lynch mob if he regresses to his bad habits.

But he done what he was supposed to do there.

 

[WAH MAN]

In my eyes we traded Setu Tu for Mellars. Then my question is WHY?

Younger is one thing.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

You realize once Boyd jams infield his outsides have no choice but to do the same?

In your 2nd frame Fuller who's playing the backdoor sweeper has committed Ali, Dal in effect is now marking 2 players....he cant release to go out onto the wing or its a short ball to Farnsworth who strolls through untouched.....and good luck if u think Ali has the gas to release to catch Herbie.


No the outsides did their job here, they followed their policy.....people may not like their policy but u cant have edge defenders doing different things or that is just a recipe for total breakdown.

What u need to do is bring up the few frames before that cause the actual disconnect is between Laban and Boyd. As the ball goes wide Laban stops moving up and plants which puts Boyd in 2 minds from sliding across (which wouldve meant his outsdies wouldve slid as well shutting down that movement) Tannah jams, which means everyone else does as well.

Guarentee u the coaching staff will be working on that half/2nd row combination in that instance. Dals problem in the past is he's zinged when everyone else was zanging.....ill be the first to start the lynch mob if he regresses to his bad habits.

But he done what he was supposed to do there.

Yes for an average winger, he's done all he can do. But very good outside backs do exactly what I describe. Infact its one of the things I noticed about Walsh last year as well as Coates was the ability to hold up the inside man, force the ball the outside and then release. Dal doesn't do that. He turns his shoulders and hips in and then commits to the wrong player AFTER the balls come out.

 

[sydneywarrior92]

No I don't, that was basically my point 'yet at least' - the hype train was getting a bit OTT. He has not hit is ceiling yet. Great improvement year on year and if he maintains that over another couple of years with that effort and intensity there's scope for him to be something special. In the mean time let's be realistic and value him for what he brings to the table now. He'll be getting plenty of game time and he's going to need support against a big side as I'd hate to see him being physically or mentally knocked, and as a green prop of middling size he will be getting a lot of traffic. Once he proves he can handle it, Team plans will focus elsewhere

don't think anyone is hyping him up in any ridiculous way. We all understand his current station as a development player with potential. He was thrown in the deep end last year when our injuries required him to step up and he did. He's not quite a like-for-like replacement for fish/barney at this stage, but he's shown he can eventually get there.

 

[Teets]

Boyd shoots leaving a 3-2 on the edge.

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Ball comes out past Ali, leaving an obvious 2-1 on Dallins edge.

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Instead of sliding so he can release and try and catch Cobbo, Dallin sets his feet and commits to the inside man, even though he has help on the inside.

Trai still has the ball in two hands, if DWZ indicates at all he's going to slide Fuller puts Herbie through untouched. Ali can't release from Fuller until he's passed it which he won't do until Ali commits, and those other inside defenders are no chance.

And of course these are all split second decisions, he does what he's coached to do.

NRL fullbacks eat up 3 v 2s for breakfast, especially on their left edge.

 

[Noitall]

Demitric setting a trend