Team List NZ Warriors v Penrith Panthers - [Round 13, 2026]

Kicking game.

It’s TMM’s jersey for now and Webby’s approach to selection this season means they just have to keep winning for TMM to stay the number 7.

But he was shaky at best off the boot against the Dragons. Kicked one out on the full and just struggled to get distance in general.
Is his kicking game actually that good?
Yes he can punt the ball a long way down field when we need it and that's a bonus.
But last year and in the 2 games he played this year that was it. Most of his kicks were catching practice for a winger with no pressure on him who would run 15 or 20 metres up field before the chasers arrived.
Yes we need that when we're kicking from our 30 and TMM doesn't have that. But I would argue that apart from that in general TMM has a better tactical kicking game. As does Boyd. Ok TMM shanked one into touch last week. But I can't think of a half that hasn't done that at some stage

I was keen to see how Metcalf went when he came back and how he would fit in with the way we are playing this year. I was quite honestly disappointed with his kicking more than anything else
 
I think Webbys realised that now we have the team to win the comp, it’s all about moving the right pieces at the right time now.
Resting Kape’s and Barney is the right start, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see us leading Penrith into the second half, and then removing some of the team to finish the game.
Then it becomes a psychological move, it would basically be saying… “ We could have won but we decided to give some of the bench players a run”!!
Not only would this make Penrith think “ they didn’t even play their best team, and this is the result”but the rest of the comp would be on notice!!
This would be a great mental edge..
It bugs me that everyone is saying this is our biggest test!!why? We are running 2nd, smashed so many hoodoo’s this year, and this is our next test to see where we are at?
yeah, it's 100% the right call to rest them - this is a benchmarking game - see where our younger ones are against the best ... if we do this it will be massive, and we'll start to look like genuine contenders (i happen to think we are already, but yeah, it will be the rest of the comp and the aussie media who are put on notice) ... minor premiership anyone?
 
I think kicking games aside, one of the other things that was a real takeaway back when TMM had his little purple patch of form at 7 a couple of years ago was consistency and ownership.

I remember people saying this was now ‘his side’ and calls for him to be re-signed as a long term 7. That seemed to evaporate in the space of a few games.

I remember he would go MIA a bit especially in tougher games, where a few of his weaknesses (eg tactical kicking, organisation) were exposed.

Luke, albeit from a small sample size, tended to run towards those challenges and try take more ownership of the side. Which is probably why the idea of playing 6 and having less touches is less appealing to him. When he was playing well last year his defence was also much improved and he came up with a few clutch tackles (one being a certain try saver against the cowboys during magic round from memory).

Luke’s attacking ceiling is without a doubt higher if he remains injury free, but I also liked what I saw of him in some other important areas last year. If he can stay physically fit and get the top 2 inches right then I think we’re still in with a genuine shot at a premiership.
 
I think kicking games aside, one of the other things that was a real takeaway back when TMM had his little purple patch of form at 7 a couple of years ago was consistency and ownership.

I remember people saying this was now ‘his side’ and calls for him to be re-signed as a long term 7. That seemed to evaporate in the space of a few games.

I remember he would go MIA a bit especially in tougher games, where a few of his weaknesses (eg tactical kicking, organisation) were exposed.

Luke, albeit from a small sample size, tended to run towards those challenges and try take more ownership of the side. Which is probably why the idea of playing 6 and having less touches is less appealing to him. When he was playing well last year his defence was also much improved and he came up with a few clutch tackles (one being a certain try saver against the cowboys during magic round from memory).

Luke’s attacking ceiling is without a doubt higher if he remains injury free, but I also liked what I saw of him in some other important areas last year. If he can stay physically fit and get the top 2 inches right then I think we’re still in with a genuine shot at a premiership.
The shame of Martins stint in the 7 is that the Warriors gave up so easily, tell me a half (not aimed at the quoted post here) that has not had rubbish games in a row when the forwards are getting a hiding or (even when there are no excuses).

As such we have never answered the question, what if we gave this bloke the time that any other Seven would get in that seat (Metcalf was rough in his start there too).

What tends to be the story is that when Martin starts shanking the ball, they pull him. That is not how you teach someone that can't kick how to develop a new skill (cue arguments that he should be improving in cup-yeah that just doesn't work for some players, some need the big lights to shine, especially older players).

I am pretty much at the point where I believe we ride it out with Martin, Metcalf is going (but then maybe Martin is too) and if Metcalf is to be used, that it happens in any other position in the team. I think we are running out of run way to re shape this team in Metcalf's template (run it sideways, see if he alone can win a game).

The Warriors don't seem to be able to support first graders through the yips. We saw it with SJ when he tried to become a 40/20 kicker, looked bloody great actually, then shanked it and put it away.

Watching Taine Tuaupiki with his long set place kick, boot it dead on the kick off, the way his face fell (2024 he was brought in and used as our kick off guy) we seem to have a problem with getting players past that fear.
 
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The shame of Martins stint in the 7 is that the Warriors gave up so easily, tell me a half (not aimed at the quoted post here) that has not had rubbish games in a row when the forwards are getting a hiding or (even when there are no excuses).

As such we have never answered the question, what if we gave this bloke the time that any other Seven would get in that seat (Metcalf was rough in his start there too).

What tends to be the story is that when Martin starts shanking the ball, they pull him. That is not how you teach someone that can't kick how to develop a new skill (cue arguments that he should be improving in cup-yeah that just doesn't work for some players, some need the big lights to shine, especially older players).

I am pretty much at the point where I believe we ride it out with Martin, Metcalf is going (but then maybe Martin is too) and if Metcalf is to be used, that it happens in any other position in the team. I think we are running out of run way to re shape this team in Metcalf's template (run it sideways, see if he alone can win a game).

The Warriors don't seem to be able to support first graders through the yips. We saw it with SJ when he tried to become a 40/20 kicker, looked bloody great actually, then shanked it and put it away.

Watching Taine Tuaupiki with his long set place kick, boot it dead on the kick off, the way his face fell (2024 he was brought in and used as our kick off guy) we seem to have a problem with getting players past that fear.

Yeah I don’t feel super strongly about Metcalf. There’s every chance that he comes in and looks terrible and we lose a few and suddenly it’s round 22 or something. My gut feeling though is that if the premiership is even a slight chance, it won’t be with a TMM/CHT halves combo. So whilst there’s still that glimmer of hope with a fully functional Metcalf, I think it should be explored.

But I’m happy to be pleasantly surprised. If TMM comes out and puts in a solid display against a pamfers side away this weekend, then I’d be over the moon.

I feel like the more likely scenario though is probably a relatively humbling loss heading into a bye, giving Webby a bit of a headache.

On the plus side though, this game comes at a good time for us and this dilemma.
 
I doubt Webby is a more practical man. Leaving 2 pts on the table like that might end up being important for top 2 vs 3rd/4th. We haven't built a big enough buffer (yet) on 3rd/4th to be able to try something as daring as that. Beating Penrith is a rare feat, I wouldn't give that up for anything.
While it is not vital to win this game - we will be trying to with the cattle that are selected. There is no way Webby would 'purposefully' take off our finishers for a possible mental hit - when we would already have that with Capes, Barnet and Metcalf out. I did say it is not vital to win - it isn't it terms of beating the Panthers at MT Smart before the play offs but it might be for the Minor Premiership. The more strain we can put on them, the less chance of them resting players before the play offs - like last year. It also gives us home advantage in the preliminary playoff to reach the final.
 
What tends to be the story is that when Martin starts shanking the ball, they pull him. That is not how you teach someone that can't kick how to develop a new skill (cue arguments that he should be improving in cup-yeah that just doesn't work for some players, some need the big lights to shine, especially older players).

I am pretty much at the point where I believe we ride it out with Martin, Metcalf is going (but then maybe Martin is too) and if Metcalf is to be used, that it happens in any other position in the team. I think we are running out of run way to re shape this team in Metcalf's template (run it sideways, see if he alone can win a game).

The Warriors don't seem to be able to support first graders through the yips. We saw it with SJ when he tried to become a 40/20 kicker, looked bloody great actually, then shanked it and put it away.

Watching Taine Tuaupiki with his long set place kick, boot it dead on the kick off, the way his face fell (2024 he was brought in and used as our kick off guy) we seem to have a problem with getting players past that fear.

Ya we're about to enter the 2nd half of the season, the 7 is likely TMM then CHT next in line (boy is 8:0 including the game he got knocked out? 🤣 ), Barney said TMM was duking it out with Boyd in the pre-season. No time to reshape the team in Metcalf's image now, the fact they're making him wearing 6 at cup probably indicates if called up he'll play 6 and do the punting. I don't even think TMM's long kicks are the key, CHT could be it
 
Yeah I don’t feel super strongly about Metcalf. There’s every chance that he comes in and looks terrible and we lose a few and suddenly it’s round 22 or something. My gut feeling though is that if the premiership is even a slight chance, it won’t be with a TMM/CHT halves combo. So whilst there’s still that glimmer of hope with a fully functional Metcalf, I think it should be explored.

But I’m happy to be pleasantly surprised. If TMM comes out and puts in a solid display against a pamfers side away this weekend, then I’d be over the moon.

I feel like the more likely scenario though is probably a relatively humbling loss heading into a bye, giving Webby a bit of a headache.

On the plus side though, this game comes at a good time for us and this dilemma.

I think if we beat the Panthers (that is two wins over them for TMM) that there is our answer.

Something about his game bothers them would be the suspicion and that is probably alone worth sticking with since a TMM Warriors side can probably handle all the others in this comp. Gonna be really interesting this weekend, nothing would surprise me. Hopefully not a hiding.
 
I think if we beat the Panthers (that is two wins over them for TMM) that there is our answer.

Something about his game bothers them would be the suspicion and that is probably alone worth sticking with since a TMM Warriors side can probably handle all the others in this comp. Gonna be really interesting this weekend, nothing would surprise me. Hopefully not a hiding.

Penrith don't like unpredictability
 
Penrith don't like unpredictability
Well this is it, neither do we for the same reason, they can plan for our game plan because it is a look in the mirror, but Martin has an Xfactor run and pass game, some footwork too, and he ain't slow....

It would have been interesting to see how Tanah would go, since that would be Penrith Vs Penrith B haha.
 
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Well this is it, neither do we for the same reason, they can plan for our game plan because it is a look in the mirror, but Martin has an Xfactor run and pass game, some footwork too, and he ain't slow....

It would have been interesting to see how Tanah would go, since that would be Penrith Vs Penrith B haha.
Unpredictability tests your scramble and although it sounds counterintuitive, your organisation. I think two years ago when we beat them at Golden round, Pompey folded Cole in their unpredictable mode. So yeah.
 
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Unpredictability tests your scramble and although it sounds counterintuitive, your organisation. I think two years ago when we beat them at Golden round, Pompey folded Cole in their unpredictable mode. So yeah.

I saw dogs just going side to side against them and it actually worked, will see how the Clark/Ford interchange goes this time.

Clark has become…imagine Dylan Walker and Fisher and Paykel had a baby
 
I saw dogs just going side to side against them and it actually worked, will see how the Clark/Ford interchange goes this time.

Clark has become…imagine Dylan Walker and Fisher and Paykel had a baby
What!
Just call Erin Mr Rugby League
His attitude and play and physique

Fisher and Paykel
Explain
 
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