agree with your holistic view. But the trajectory for webby is good. 2 top 4 finishes in 3 years would be a pretty impressive start given that before him we only made the top 4 twice in the previous 27 years. It is also something that only Cleary and Bellamy have achieved in the last 3 years.While I admire the attempt to shift the goalposts, success in Rugby League is determined by winning, not by likeability. Now while we can wax lyrical about modern methods, Des is a far, far, far more successful coach than Webby at this current point in time. I sincerely hope that changes and soon, but for now, it is what it is.