They've been conducting a low level campaign for quite some time now.
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Let’s not rehash the entire conflict for the umpteenth time. Regardless you have pivoted to who is the “aggressor” because that allows you to moralise. The statement was avoidability.
Using pure logic, ask yourself what is the best outcome for the Ukrainian people? Agreeing to peace and concessions 2 years ago? Or this course of action which will apparently result in more lost land, million plus dead, and further concessions?
The best outcome for the Ukrainian people is for Russia to fuck off and pay them billions in reparations, also giving back the invaded land.
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Is that the 2nd novel in your fantasy series?
Well, given you're a BIG Putin fan, I'd expect no less.
Rather than rehashing, I was just just to fathom how in any way your view could be that this was unavoidable for the Ukrainian people when they were attacked. The best outcome for the Ukrainian people was that Russia never attacked them and they hold no ground to be in any way justified in what they’ve done in my view. The will of the people to fight on shows there’s no appetite whatsoever to have ties to Russia
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Like when Russia was effectively allowed to keep Crimea before that. Really quelled the Russian aggression, didn’t it.
You talking about the fleet in Sevastopol from 1997? Well yeah it did work until 2014… I wonder if there was any significant event that affected Ukrainian-Russian relations in 2014? Can you think of any?
They were warned repeatedly prior to invasion. They also had several opportunities to negotiate peace. Being attacked doesn’t negate these facts.
Except that’s a fantasy that has no bearing on reality. Yes the world would be a better place without wars. Ground breaking.
Will? They run from conscriptors. They’ve banned elections, religions, and opposition parties. They are propped up entirely by foreign money, weapons and fighters.
Russia hasn’t even mobilised their entire army yet….
None of the above moralises anything. You think Russia is in the wrong? Cool, I’m not arguing with you.
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Negotiate peace? What’s the reason for the invasion without rehashing things?
Military question for you here; Can they mobilise their entire army without their borders becoming vulnerable?
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Analysis by political scientist Masha Hedburg for Harvard University’s Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies estimates that between March 2022 and July 2024, at least 25 peace plans were put forth.
Russia-Ukraine war: All the proposed peace plans explained
Ukrainian President Zelenskyy has asserted that the plan proposed by Ukraine should be enacted.
‘No other option’: Excerpts of Putin’s speech declaring war
Before launching the biggest attack by one state against another in Europe since World War II, Putin made an address.
Yes, its more to do with active troops on active duty than deployed in Ukraine. You could 100% mobilize and increase defense by deploying within Russia.
Its a bit of a propaganda and morale play, ie Russia isnt even fighting at full strength, which ties into the "special operation" name and not "Invasion of Ukraine". They are deploying 10:1 contract troops to reserves and have a massive training program, so in reality its higher levels of mobilization.
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So in rehashing the reason for the invasion being the threat of nato, again why is there not the same concern for Finland, Norway, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland being that they are nato members and share a border with Russia?‘No other option’: Excerpts of Putin’s speech declaring war
Before launching the biggest attack by one state against another in Europe since World War II, Putin made an address.www.aljazeera.com
It would have to be the largest mobilisation in history, they have 61,000kms of border and 17 million sqm to defend. Even if they only doubled their mobilisation, wouldn't it just be massive bottleneck reaching the battlefield? And most countries on their land borders hate them.
I was on a flight to China last year with a guy from Canberra that owned a paintball company and was on his way back to the Ukraine. He'd been in the big train station in Mariupol and some other hot spots the first time he was there but didn't reckon he'd personally killed anybody. He knew Ukraine's resistance was a lost cause but he was too addicted to the rush. I reckon there'd be a lot of foreign fighters like him with limited skills getting themselves killed. We talked about how it could end and agreed that Ukraine could've conceded the Donbass years ago, then both countries contribute to build a big fk off wall on the new border (on the rivers edge?) and never interact with each other again. No border gates, no visiting each other, just be done with it. Divorced lol.
I don't think it was dalliance with NATO primarily. There were two massive energy deals in planning prior to the 2014 and 2022 invasions that would've put Ukraine in direct competition to Russia's energy supply to Europe. And Ukraine shares a lot more history with Russia than the other countries on their border. Shit, Finland already faced a Russian invasion, they inflicted huge losses on Russia but still had to concede 10% of their land. Similar to this war I guess. Sad for all IMO.
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How many times has Putin said that NATO in those countries is a redline? Comparing random European countries to Ukraine is disingenuous at best. The administrative capital of Russia was never in Warsaw.