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[MaybeTop8]

What threats has Russia made agaibst Europe?

They've been conducting a low level campaign for quite some time now.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Avoidable in what way? They weren’t the country implementing the aggression. If we’re talking about any view of Russia concerned of any Ukraine interest in joining nato, surely countries like Finland, Norway, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland would have every right to be concerned all sharing a border with Russia

Let’s not rehash the entire conflict for the umpteenth time. Regardless you have pivoted to who is the “aggressor” because that allows you to moralise. The statement was avoidability.

Using pure logic, ask yourself what is the best outcome for the Ukrainian people? Agreeing to peace and concessions 2 years ago? Or this course of action which will apparently result in more lost land, million plus dead, and further concessions?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Let’s not rehash the entire conflict for the umpteenth time. Regardless you have pivoted to who is the “aggressor” because that allows you to moralise. The statement was avoidability.

Using pure logic, ask yourself what is the best outcome for the Ukrainian people? Agreeing to peace and concessions 2 years ago? Or this course of action which will apparently result in more lost land, million plus dead, and further concessions?

The best outcome for the Ukrainian people is for Russia to fuck off and pay them billions in reparations, also giving back the invaded land.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The best outcome for the Ukrainian people is for Russia to fuck off and pay them billions in reparations, also giving back the invaded land.

Is that the 2nd novel in your fantasy series?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Is that the 2nd novel in your fantasy series?

Well, given you're a BIG Putin fan, I'd expect no less.

 

[Noitall]

Let’s not rehash the entire conflict for the umpteenth time. Regardless you have pivoted to who is the “aggressor” because that allows you to moralise. The statement was avoidability.

Using pure logic, ask yourself what is the best outcome for the Ukrainian people? Agreeing to peace and concessions 2 years ago? Or this course of action which will apparently result in more lost land, million plus dead, and further concessions?

Rather than rehashing, I was just just to fathom how in any way your view could be that this was unavoidable for the Ukrainian people when they were attacked. The best outcome for the Ukrainian people was that Russia never attacked them and they hold no ground to be in any way justified in what they’ve done in my view. The will of the people to fight on shows there’s no appetite whatsoever to have ties to Russia

 

[Tokyo Warrior]

Let’s not rehash the entire conflict for the umpteenth time. Regardless you have pivoted to who is the “aggressor” because that allows you to moralise. The statement was avoidability.

Using pure logic, ask yourself what is the best outcome for the Ukrainian people? Agreeing to peace and concessions 2 years ago? Or this course of action which will apparently result in more lost land, million plus dead, and further concessions?

Like when Russia was effectively allowed to keep Crimea before that. Really quelled the Russian aggression, didn’t it.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Like when Russia was effectively allowed to keep Crimea before that. Really quelled the Russian aggression, didn’t it.

You talking about the fleet in Sevastopol from 1997? Well yeah it did work until 2014… I wonder if there was any significant event that affected Ukrainian-Russian relations in 2014? Can you think of any?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Rather than rehashing, I was just just to fathom how in any way your view could be that this was unavoidable for the Ukrainian people when they were attacked.

They were warned repeatedly prior to invasion. They also had several opportunities to negotiate peace. Being attacked doesn’t negate these facts.

The best outcome for the Ukrainian people was that Russia never attacked them and they hold no ground to be in any way justified in what they’ve done in my view.

Except that’s a fantasy that has no bearing on reality. Yes the world would be a better place without wars. Ground breaking.

The will of the people to fight on shows there’s no appetite whatsoever to have ties to Russia

Will? They run from conscriptors. They’ve banned elections, religions, and opposition parties. They are propped up entirely by foreign money, weapons and fighters.

Russia hasn’t even mobilised their entire army yet….

None of the above moralises anything. You think Russia is in the wrong? Cool, I’m not arguing with you.