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MaybeTop8 said:
Yeah there's all sorts of murk of course. I'm highlighting the aggressor and of course the conspiracies that accumulate with the same groups of people more than anything. Putin is the aggressor here 100%, and given the farce of a "peace" treaty that's got his wishes all over it, if he gets his way he won't stop at Ukraine.
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Whether he does or not, I see Europe as wise to err on the side of caution
 
Noitall said:
Russia seems pretty emboldened these days, and why not when you’ve got the American president in your back pocket. Europe are going to have to band together and support Ukraine or Putin is going to march through Europe
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Dont follow this much but Russia would have 0 chance against NATO?

If Russia can’t beat up Ukraine who are not given the best weapons, they would get annihilated if they took on Germany, France, Uk, Italy, etc, Russia has struggled to gain air superiority in Ukraine. Europe would destroy Russia in the air and then it’s war over.

If Russia can’t defeat Ukraine over 3 years it will get pulverised taking on Europe.

Putin knows this. Explain how it could ever end well for Russia?

Devils advocate, maybe those in charge WANT Putin to try for Europe because it would give them a reason to actually invade and ‘liberate’ Russia 🤔
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Dont follow this much but Russia would have 0 chance against NATO?

If Russia can’t beat up Ukraine who are not given the best weapons, they would get annihilated if they took on Germany, France, Uk, Italy, etc, Russia has struggled to gain air superiority in Ukraine. Europe would destroy Russia in the air and then it’s war over.

If Russia can’t defeat Ukraine over 3 years it will get pulverised taking on Europe.

Putin knows this. Explain how it could ever end well for Russia?
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Without America providing the means largely that Ukraine have fought with so far, without America continuing to provide a considerable amount it becomes entirely reliant on Europe to fill the void. Russia seems to be strategically with a foot in each camp with ties to China attending their military parade and also seemingly having something going with America. They are in a powerful position
 
Noitall said:
Without America providing the means largely that Ukraine have fought with so far, without America continuing to provide a considerable amount it becomes entirely reliant on Europe to fill the void. Russia seems to be strategically with a foot in each camp with ties to China attending their military parade and also seemingly having something going with America. They are in a powerful position
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Uk and France are nuclear powers.

The Europe powers have 6 aircraft carriers vs Russias 1 decommissioned

NATO has over 2,000 modern combat aircraft vs what’s left of Russias 1960’s fleet.

Europe GDP 50 trillion/ Russia 1.9 trillion.

Russia would get crushed. The mismatch would be like when the Ultimate Warrior squashed the Honkey Tonk man. Over before it started!
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Uk and France are nuclear powers.

The Europe powers have 6 aircraft carriers vs Russias 1 decommissioned

NATO has over 2,000 modern combat aircraft vs what’s left of Russias 1960’s fleet.

Europe GDP 50 trillion/ Russia 1.9 trillion.

Russia would get crushed. The mismatch would be like when the Ultimate Warrior squashed the Honkey Tonk man. Over before it started!
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If it’s gotten to that point it won’t just be Russia and there will be a full scale conflict occurring. Countries like North Korea have already participated for Russia through troops but coalitions will form. That military parade and who attended should be an indication of who could either provide assistance or get directly involved. There’s also a view that America and Russia have a lot in common in their nationalistic views
 
Noitall said:
If it’s gotten to that point it won’t just be Russia and there will be a full scale conflict occurring. Countries like North Korea have already participated for Russia through troops but coalitions will form. That military parade and who attended should be an indication of who could either provide assistance or get directly involved. There’s also a view that America and Russia have a lot in common in their nationalistic views
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Russia wouldn’t dare, even with support. NATO would still destroy them.

Russia couldn’t even reach Kiev in 3 years and Russian forces are battered and bruised now.

If Putin tried it on, NATO would be in Moscow within a week and Putin would be dead.
 
Noitall said:
If it’s gotten to that point it won’t just be Russia and there will be a full scale conflict occurring. Countries like North Korea have already participated for Russia through troops but coalitions will form. That military parade and who attended should be an indication of who could either provide assistance or get directly involved.
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Helen Clark!
 
Noitall said:
If it’s gotten to that point it won’t just be Russia and there will be a full scale conflict occurring. Countries like North Korea have already participated for Russia through troops but coalitions will form. That military parade and who attended should be an indication of who could either provide assistance or get directly involved. There’s also a view that America and Russia have a lot in common in their nationalistic views
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Russia wouldn’t dare, even with support. NATO would still destroy them.

Russia couldn’t even reach Kiev in 3 years and Russian forces are battered and bruised now.

If Putin tried it on, NATO would be in Moscow within a week and Putin would be dead.


Noitall said:

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Russia more like jimmy hart in this one
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Classic match. Remember watching it live (or when it played on tv in NZ).

I was a big Warrior fan back then!
 
Russia is not trying for Kiev. NATO is not ¿as strong as people think eg Britain has been clising down its military for years. I read they have more Parking Wardens than trained military.

They had years of NATO training Ukraine military and fortifying the place. They had the 2nd biggest military in Europe after Russia, we have seen how good they are. Unfortunately they are being destroyed.
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Russia wouldn’t dare, even with support. NATO would still destroy them.

Russia couldn’t even reach Kiev in 3 years and Russian forces are battered and bruised now.

If Putin tried it on, NATO would be in Moscow within a week and Putin would be dead.



Classic match. Remember watching it live (or when it played on tv in NZ).

I was a big Warrior fan back then!
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The thing is Wiz no one wants war. Dead men and boys especially your fellow compatriots.
It's not as easy as My stick bigger ooga ooga.
You are such a reductionist.
 
Noitall said:
www.telegraph.co.uk

Putin: We’re ready for war with Europe

Russian president’s warning came as he rejected latest peace deal proposed by Trump’s envoys
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

Russia seems pretty emboldened these days, and why not when you’ve got the American president in your back pocket. Europe are going to have to band together and support Ukraine or Putin is going to march through Europe
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Russia doesn’t have the conventional fighting strength to march through Europe but the Baltic states are vulnerable. Properly applied sanctions would stop Putin, but he knows he has the fat orange mess in his back pocket and the US will never be anything more than ambiguous when it comes to defending Ukraine until Trump is no longer president
 
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