Politics 🤡 Donald Trump

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Noitall said:
For referencing a guy who made a living out of giving his view
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Yes.

I don’t agree with the engineer heckling Peters getting his workplace targeted to fire him.

I didn’t agree with Martin Devlin being shut down.

I don’t agree with people being denied entry to NZ (Owens) or universities (Brash) to speak or Posie Parker being run out of the country

I didn’t agree with the Christchurch massacre manifesto being banned

I didn’t agree with shutting down the Wellington protests by force

Heck, I even put up with MT8 without complaining…
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Yes.

I don’t agree with the engineer heckling Peters getting his workplace targeted to fire him.

I didn’t agree with Martin Devlin being shut down.

I don’t agree with people being denied entry to NZ (Owens) or universities (Brash) to speak or Posie Parker being run out of the country

I didn’t agree with the Christchurch massacre manifesto being banned

I didn’t agree with shutting down the Wellington protests by force

Heck, I even put up with MT8 without complaining…
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Without complaint sure, but spinning up screeds of replies based on disinformation :)
 
MrFrankWhite said:
Lool no, it definitely isn’t. I implore you to at least have a cursory understanding of the American constitution in order to have a discussion about it.

Even if Trump DEMANDED that Kimmel be fired, that’s not a first amendment violation, because the parties to that are still Kimmel and his employer. Theres no punitive action by the executive branch.
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If you say so
 
MrFrankWhite said:
Lool no, it definitely isn’t. I implore you to at least have a cursory understanding of the American constitution in order to have a discussion about it.

Even if Trump DEMANDED that Kimmel be fired, that’s not a first amendment violation, because the parties to that are still Kimmel and his employer. Theres no punitive action by the executive branch.
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Fine line. Technically your correct but if Trump used official resources to force Kimmel’s firing, for example, threatening fines, audits, or regulatory action. That would likely be considered state action.
 
MrFrankWhite said:
This is just a symptom of media companies always bending the knee to the American administration.

Zuckerberg has lots of interviews talking about the censoring Meta undertook, Musk famously railed against the Biden administrations control of Twitter.

Looks to me like it’s always been a propaganda machine for a superpower.
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PR branch of the most effective killing machine in history.
 
Inruin said:
What's the feeling like over there at the moment?

Looked like a massive turnout for the marches the other day for Unite the Kingdom
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We’ve got over 65 million people living here. Most marches, especially in London, look impressive even if they are a small number of the population.

ZThe government here has two main problems:

The lack of post COVID growth in the economy. It will probably mean they get kicked out in 4 years time.
Immigration from the small boat crossings from France. Other than words about smashing the gangs, nothing has happened and people see boats arriving every day on the news.

Reform will quite possibly win the election in 4 years time which really worries me, imho they are a party full of cranks and general nut jobs with a charismatic but untrustworthy leader.

We aren’t a police state btw, far from it.
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Fine line. Technically your correct but if Trump used official resources to force Kimmel’s firing, for example, threatening fines, audits, or regulatory action. That would likely be considered state action.
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Trump is suing New York Times for defamation for $15 billion, $10 billion for the parent company of the wall street journal and a host of other platforms that he hasn’t liked what they’ve said. I would imagine that if he keeps that up many aren’t going to push back for too long, the money alone fighting it in the courts will deplete them
 
Noitall said:
Trump is suing New York Times for defamation for $15 billion, $10 billion for the parent company of the wall street journal and a host of other platforms that he hasn’t liked what they’ve said. I would imagine that if he keeps that up many aren’t going to push back for too long, the money alone fighting it in the courts will deplete them
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Interesting one as the US has a solid culture of suing.

Since the 1970s, Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in over 4,000 legal cases in U.S. federal and state courts. These included disputes with casino patrons, real estate lawsuits, personal defamation suits, and over 100 business tax disputes.(wikipedia). That’s over 1 per week!

In the initial 100 days of his second presidency, Trump faced more than 328 lawsuits challenging his executive orders, proclamations, policy decisions, and actions taken by his Cabinet members.

Glad we don’t live there. Such a combatitive society.
 
Hardyman's Yugo said:
We’ve got over 65 million people living here. Most marches, especially in London, look impressive even if they are a small number of the population.

ZThe government here has two main problems:

The lack of post COVID growth in the economy. It will probably mean they get kicked out in 4 years time.
Immigration from the small boat crossings from France. Other than words about smashing the gangs, nothing has happened and people see boats arriving every day on the news.

Reform will quite possibly win the election in 4 years time which really worries me, imho they are a party full of cranks and general nut jobs with a charismatic but untrustworthy leader.

We aren’t a police state btw, far from it.
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Did our lad Brian Tamaki make the news over there at all doing haka and ripping up flags at the Tommy Robinson rally?
 
Noitall said:
Trump is suing New York Times for defamation for $15 billion, $10 billion for the parent company of the wall street journal and a host of other platforms that he hasn’t liked what they’ve said. I would imagine that if he keeps that up many aren’t going to push back for too long, the money alone fighting it in the courts will deplete them
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I do wonder with the New York Times if they have more evidence of Trumps involvement with Epstein than they have currently published. Maybe they will let this play along a little longer and let Trump lie about it. For all he’s unpleasant, Murdoch isn’t daft and he must believe they have enough to withstand a legal challenge
 
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