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j_p said:
Trump doesn't even give a damn about kirk's death yet people expect us on the left who Kirk despised to show empathy.


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I don't think being on the left or right should affect how one feels about someone getting murdered in such a sick way? Or what Trump thinks about it? I also think it's tragic that a young man was radicalised and his life is now wasted after murdering KIRK. Our world is getting sicker, more divided and the best way to help situations like this is to have no different feelings re tragic stuff that happens to people on the left or right. If we do, it shows that we are more than likely partially radicalised. There are forces at work that want the world divided, it is easier to control via reactionary forces. We have to resist and disagree with views and ideas but show respect toward each other, and care for the rights and well being of people on both sides. Otherwise we are just pawns, when the masses is where the power really resides. I think his death is tragic, but also that kid who was radicalised and will either be killed or spend the rest of his life in prison.
 
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Boston Boy said:
I don't think being on the left or right should affect how one feels about someone getting murdered in such a sick way? Or what Trump thinks about it? I also think it's tragic that a young man was radicalised and his life is now wasted after murdering KIRK. Our world is getting sicker, more divided and the best way to help situations like this is to have no different feelings re tragic stuff that happens to people on the left or right. If we do, it shows that we are more than likely partially radicalised. There are forces at work that want the world divided, it is easier to control via reactionary forces. We have to resist and disagree with views and ideas but show respect toward each other, and care for the rights and well being of people on both sides. Otherwise we are just pawns, when the masses is where the power really resides. I think his death is tragic, but also that kid who was radicalised and will either be killed or spend the rest of his life in prison.
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Hate to tell you but we're all pawns in some politician's game my blue eyed son.


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Worried2Death said:
Hate to tell you but we're all pawns in some politician's game my blue eyed son.


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Here's my view:
There's an argument that we should all gather together to be The One, forget all our differences, to go for the Gold Diamond Sapphire Apple At The Top Of The Tree.
Which would be fine, if it was the only Apple On The Tree. But it's not. There's - a few branches down - A Purple Diamond Apple that benefits Group C of The One. And, here's the kicker, that Gold, Diamond, Sapphire Apple? Group C of The One don't think that's actually gettable and also, actually it's going to benefit Group A (white, male, heterosexual, ablebodied, wealthy etc cliche) of The One more, who Group C really don't like that much anyhow, so why shouldn't they grab that Purple Diamond Apple and screw everybody else, we fine!?

Not sure I like identity politics or not, everybody breaking up into smaller groups, being a member of a minority group myself, but I understand why it might be attractive.
 
Boston Boy said:
I don't think being on the left or right should affect how one feels about someone getting murdered in such a sick way? Or what Trump thinks about it? I also think it's tragic that a young man was radicalised and his life is now wasted after murdering KIRK. Our world is getting sicker, more divided and the best way to help situations like this is to have no different feelings re tragic stuff that happens to people on the left or right. If we do, it shows that we are more than likely partially radicalised. There are forces at work that want the world divided, it is easier to control via reactionary forces. We have to resist and disagree with views and ideas but show respect toward each other, and care for the rights and well being of people on both sides. Otherwise we are just pawns, when the masses is where the power really resides. I think his death is tragic, but also that kid who was radicalised and will either be killed or spend the rest of his life in prison.
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I think it’s healthy for society to have a diversity of worldviews, and the competition between them is actually what drives progress. If everyone thought the same way, society would stagnate.

Even when we dislike certain views I would defend the right for people to hold and express them. History shows that ideas once considered extreme have shaped the world we live in today. Eg, universal education, the 40-hour work week, and environmental protections were once radical left initiatives, while ideas like nation states, market-based capitalism, and strict immigration controls originated from the right.

The real challenge seems to be our growing inability to tolerate perspectives different from our own. The right often emphasizes personal responsibility, which can sometimes manifest in lone wolf type violence — “solving a problem themselves.” The left, by contrast, tends to channel outrage communally, through protests and strikes.

Ultimately, there’s little difference between the intolerance and hostility that fuels a radicalized protester and that which motivates a political assassin — the methods differ, but the mindset of hate is much the same.

They say with freedom comes responsibility; by the same thinking we need more diversity but it must come with tolerance.
 
MaybeTop8 said:
I know you mean well, but take an honest look. It's really, really, really not the left
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I don’t have a clue about Kirk and as I’ve said, the rights naturally more likely to take matters into their own hands.

But I think all sides are equally capable of frustration, anger, hate and thinking they need to act to force political change…
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
I don’t have a clue about Kirk and as I’ve said, the rights naturally more likely to take matters into their own hands.

But I think all sides are equally capable of frustration, anger, hate and thinking they need to act to force politics change…
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but he said really 3 times in the same sentence to reinforce it so it must be true.
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
I don’t have a clue about Kirk and as I’ve said, the rights naturally more likely to take matters into their own hands.

But I think all sides are equally capable of frustration, anger, hate and thinking they need to act to force political change…
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It’s a country that has and will continue to have issues because of easy access to guns and how easily life, and many lives can be taken but if I was to consider the political violence in that country and who seems to be perpetrating the most extremes the ones that come to my mind are the men who were planning a kidnapping of Michigan governor Whitmer. Another is the molotov cocktail thrown into Ben Shapiro’s house with himself and family and friends inside, another is Nancy Pelosi’s husband attacked with a hammer and then there’s the storming of the capital hill building and the threats that went with that. How ever these people are labelled as the side they fall under, there seems to be a group that are willing to go to the extremes in their violence or terrorism than the other group
 
All this left vs right talk. It's not pick a tribe and defend everything they do and decry everything the other tribe does

I don't care where the shooter sits on the political spectrum, nor the victim. It's not like either of their actions should be attributed to a particular group

I kinda think of left & right being a 3D spectrum. You can have economic policy that is liberal or collective, pro abortion or pro life, and you can anti immigration or pro immigration. All issues that resonate with people different ways but certainly not issues that place someone firmly into a group that shares the same leanings on all issues

So the point scoring of - "oh he's one of yours" or "how dare you guys say that" is a bit derivative. You can support certain things but there is no left/right group that you are a member of and that should claim you or vice versa
 
defensivebomb said:
All this left vs right talk. It's not pick a tribe and defend everything they do and decry everything the other tribe does

I don't care where the shooter sits on the political spectrum, nor the victim. It's not like either of their actions should be attributed to a particular group

I kinda think of left & right being a 3D spectrum. You can have economic policy that is liberal or collective, pro abortion or pro life, and you can anti immigration or pro immigration. All issues that resonate with people different ways but certainly not issues that place someone firmly into a group that shares the same leanings on all issues

So the point scoring of - "oh he's one of yours" or "how dare you guys say that" is a bit derivative. You can support certain things but there is no left/right group that you are a member of and that should claim you or vice versa
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They are just labels eh.

To divide and conquer the ignorant.

To the Yanks our system in New Zealand is hard left socialism and that includes both of the main parties.

The real shit kicker is that stupid Kiwis have become indoctrinated into this Right vs Left American brain washing.

Both of the main parties in America are conservative by New Zealand standards yet one calls the other commies. You have to laugh at how stupid they are.
 
sup42 said:
They are just labels eh.

To divide and conquer the ignorant.

To the Yanks our system in New Zealand is hard left socialism and that includes both of the main parties.

The real shit kicker is that stupid Kiwis have become indoctrinated into this Right vs Left American brain washing.

Both of the main parties in America are conservative by New Zealand standards yet one calls the other commies. You have to laugh at how stupid they are.
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My ex-brother in law lives in the States. In NZ, he'd always voted National but in the States, he votes for the Dems. He dislikes both ACT and the Republicans with a passion.

My wife's best friend lives in Dallas and she was Shay's boss out here for a few years during John Key's time in government and met Key a few times. She used to live/work in Chicago and attended the same church as the Obamas. She even volunteered when he run for office as a Senator in Illinois. She said she could see why Obama and Key would get on so well.... she considered their political ideas really similar.

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sup42 said:
They are just labels eh.

To divide and conquer the ignorant.

To the Yanks our system in New Zealand is hard left socialism and that includes both of the main parties.

The real shit kicker is that stupid Kiwis have become indoctrinated into this Right vs Left American brain washing.

Both of the main parties in America are conservative by New Zealand standards yet one calls the other commies. You have to laugh at how stupid they are.
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And how stupid people are on here to use the label commies as well
 
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