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MaybeTop8 said:
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Western silence as US sanctions Albanese

The move against the UN special rapporteur is part of a wider effort to intimidate those pursuing de jure justice in a world where imperial power makes the rules.
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Frightening times. Interesting seeing that regarding NZ and Japan militarily, feel like we’re in a unique position by acting in defiance of our largest trading partner and wonder how long that continues to be the case? America has now overtaken Australia as our second largest trading partner so feels like there’s potentially an obligation from them to do what they can to minimise NZ and China relations. I’m not sure that’s possible though with China reportedly contributing $38 billion to the NZ economy last year alone. India is one market where NZ will be hopeful of getting something sorted that would contribute to a descaling of NZ and China economically but who knows what’s in the fine print of any free trade deal?
 
Noitall said:
Frightening times. Interesting seeing that regarding NZ and Japan militarily, feel like we’re in a unique position by acting in defiance of our largest trading partner and wonder how long that continues to be the case? America has now overtaken Australia as our second largest trading partner so feels like there’s potentially an obligation from them to do what they can to minimise NZ and China relations. I’m not sure that’s possible though with China reportedly contributing $38 billion to the NZ economy last year alone. India is one market where NZ will be hopeful of getting something sorted that would contribute to a descaling of NZ and China economically but who knows what’s in the fine print of any free trade deal?
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Yes, I believe India is a very smart, strategic long term play.
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Yes, I believe India is a very smart, strategic long term play.
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AI says in 50 years the super power of the world will be China, with India second and America third, but it also sits on the fence to a degree where in some answers it gives , it still cites America with the largest gdp in and around those years. I believe that’s because it knows how important cornering ai will be and China is looking be very sophisticated in it’s development
 
Noitall said:
AI says in 50 years the super power of the world will be China, with India second and America third, but it also sits on the fence to a degree where in some answers it gives , it still cites America with the largest gdp in and around those years. I believe that’s because it knows how important cornering ai will be and China is looking be very sophisticated in it’s development
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India has the capacity to offset the reliance on China. For all the drawbacks of India, it’s still a former commonwealth country that politically has far less issues than China, but with a huge increasingly affluent population that we can build trade with.
 
MrFrankWhite said:
Everyone knows. Unlimited chain immigration to you country. Recognize Indian certificates and licenses as being valid.
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I doubt that’s fine print, that’s likely in big bold lettering. I asked questions many years ago, why NZ to be given their first trade deal too? America dangled it over our heads for years and always snatched it away saying now wasn’t the time. Seems that now is the time but I think it’s too late. Chinese culture has imbedded itself into the world, they’ve created the throwaway society we’ve become with things made cheap rather than made to last. That’s not across the board as they do make some good things, but that’s the society they’ve created
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
India has the capacity to offset the reliance on China. For all the drawbacks of India, it’s still a former commonwealth country that politically has far less issues than China, but with a huge increasingly affluent population that we can build trade with.
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India calls itself a democracy, but that’s no reality, especially under Modi. There’s also that China and India have long standing differences that’s likely to always see them on opposing sides
 
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