Politics 🤡 Donald Trump

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This extensive forum discussion centers around Donald Trump and American politics, with users expressing diverse viewpoints on his legal challenges, political future, and broader impact on American democracy. The conversation spans multiple years of Trump-related developments from court cases to election implications.
Recently, sup42 #304 explains how Trump's disqualification under the 14th Amendment faces unprecedented legal challenges, noting that the amendment was originally intended to prevent Confederate officials from holding office. Several users discuss Trump's removal from state ballots, with Ozwarrior #301 reporting on Maine becoming the second state to block Trump from its 2024 ballot following Colorado's decision. Noitall #305 expresses concern about Supreme Court justices appointed by Trump potentially influencing decisions on his eligibility.
The discussion reveals sharp divisions regarding Trump's legal accountability and democratic implications. sup42 #249 describes Trump as "probably the worst human being that the Americans have ever offered unlimited power to" and compares him unfavorably to historical figures including Nixon and Confederate leaders. Meanwhile, watcher #280 raises questions about disqualifying Trump without convictions, arguing that his supporters remain legitimate voters in a democratic system.
Recent posts highlight concerns about broader democratic erosion. MaybeTop8 #295 characterizes Trump as "an authoritarian fascist who is trying to steal power" for reasons including avoiding prosecution and narcissism. Noitall #307 criticizes the entire Republican Party as "crooked" after noting how Trump's challengers pledge to pardon him if convicted. The conversation also touches on media influence, with users debating whether right-wing or left-wing perspectives dominate American media landscape, and discussing the role of courts as potential saviors of American democracy.


How is Liz Truss even relevant? She’s a joke being their shortest serving pm. There seems to be a group showing themselves involving Musk, Milei, Bannon, Farrage, Truss and they’re obvious ones but there will be many more like Weidel who are beginning to show themselves. All far right is what’s in common and the salutes shows their ideology. White supremacy is back in a big way, I wonder if an Arian race is still the goal?
 

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How is Liz Truss even relevant? She’s a joke being their shortest serving pm. There seems to be a group showing themselves involving Musk, Milei, Bannon, Farrage, Truss and they’re obvious ones but there will be many more like Weidel who are beginning to show themselves. All far right is what’s in common and the salutes shows their ideology. White supremacy is back in a big way, I wonder if an Arian race is still the goal?
This is the right sadly
 
Yuri Bezmenov the KGB defector outlined the four stages of ideological subversion back when Putin was a young operative selling Bata Bullets in Wellington, 1. demoralisation, 2. destabilisation, 3. crisis, and 4. normalisation. I think we're in stage 3.
With stage 4 trying to be achieved to make any of this seem normal. If that gets achieved, we’re fucked
 
Yuri Bezmenov the KGB defector outlined the four stages of ideological subversion back when Putin was a young operative selling Bata Bullets in Wellington, 1. demoralisation, 2. destabilisation, 3. crisis, and 4. normalisation. I think we're in stage 3.
How did they achieve that with Dems in power for 13 of the last 12 years?
 
imagine having to be accountable to your employer. No wonder public servants are having a meltdown
Hundreds of employees walked out when he took over twitter, but this is donor ship on steroids. The only reason he’s in this role and dictating this sort of shit is because of his wealth. The emperor has no clothes, which is a hideous thought when considering trump
 
How is Liz Truss even relevant? She’s a joke being their shortest serving pm. There seems to be a group showing themselves involving Musk, Milei, Bannon, Farrage, Truss and they’re obvious ones but there will be many more like Weidel who are beginning to show themselves. All far right is what’s in common and the salutes shows their ideology. White supremacy is back in a big way, I wonder if an Arian race is still the goal?
Liz Truss is now in David Icke territory of lunacy. A complete idiot with zero self awareness. She spends a lot of time in the states because she gets paid to appear at these far right rallies
 
imagine having to be accountable to your employer. No wonder public servants are having a meltdown
Nobody has properly evaluated if the people being dismissed are doing a good or a bad job though. It’s completely indiscriminate and designed to grab headlines. Idiots are falling for it though

Maybe not indiscriminate if you are a black leader of the armed forces or a female head of the navy
 
Nobody has properly evaluated if the people being dismissed are doing a good or a bad job though. It’s completely indiscriminate and designed to grab headlines. Idiots are falling for it though

Maybe not indiscriminate if you are a black leader of the armed forces or a female head of the navy
I was talking to a public servant yesterdays whose job is to manage contractors to a govt department.

Their department has had pressure put on them to increase performance and get more out of the contractors for less. It’s not going well and he fears for his job. The contractors are already claiming they are underpaid and refusing to change threatening to simply stop providing services to this department.

Digging deeper the contractors have been tied in red tape with ‘best practice’ standards applied to them - layers of red tape, paperwork, compliance costs, H&S requirements, etc so that they spend more time doing compliance for the job than the actual job. They are so inefficient through govt requirements they are barely profitable despite international comparisons suggesting they are over paid.

The guys tearing his hair out because a blanket ‘improve efficiencies’ doesn’t fix the systematic problems causing NZ to be excessively expensive and unproductive.

The govt is targeting low hanging fruit but NZs first world ‘best practice’ has a hand break like opportunity cost that an economy build off primary produce can’t sustain.
 
Trumps not the boss of the federal government? Bizarre they follow his executive orders and directives then.
You seriously think they're going to read every email?

It's a schtick to fool complete numpties and it works with that base (& with you obviously).

No comment on the blatant disinformation Musk has been peddling on the government finances?
 
You seriously think they're going to read every email?
What on earth are you even on about? You asserted 3 people werent the boss of the federal govt to which I countered the Trump actually was. WTF are you talking about emails for.
No comment on the blatant disinformation Musk has been peddling on the government finances?
What blatant disinformation of what govt finances?
 
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