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Damo said:
Not that I agree with the way the US went about it, but Maduro wasn't exactly a democratically elected government tbf.
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No for sure. Frank's context offers no other options.

The person they're looking to pass it to I believe is also right wing and from the very limited stuff I read was involved in the coup from the inside. Not exactly elected either.

Of course I'm aware this will never happen, and it's hilarious to even write this: "If America was truly interested in freedom they would peacefully pass the country and all it's resources back to it's citizens".

But equally unacceptable to me is to just sit back and do or say nothing. Not that posting on here is doing anything of course apart from drawing flak from the forums regular far right :)
 

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MaybeTop8 said:
No for sure. Frank's context offers no other options.

The person they're looking to pass it to I believe is also right wing and from the very limited stuff I read was involved in the coup from the inside. Not exactly elected either.

Of course I'm aware this will never happen, and it's hilarious to even write this: "If America was truly interested in freedom they would peacefully pass the country and all it's resources back to it's citizens".

But equally unacceptable to me is to just sit back and do or say nothing. Not that posting on here is doing anything of course apart from drawing flak from the forums regular far right :)
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How long have the US sanctioned Venezuela? Lifting the sanctions is the best way to help but that is quite the opposite to what the US want..
 

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MaybeTop8 said:
Of course I'm aware this will never happen, and it's hilarious to even write this: "If America was truly interested in freedom they would peacefully pass the country and all it's resources back to it's citizens".
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This!

I don’t have an opinion on Venezuela’s current leadership, how the countries run, economy, etc. but it’s not up to America to make this decision on a sovereign country.

This is for the UN. Absolutely 100% unacceptable.

This is worse than what Russia did to Ukraine.
 
Trumps one redeeming feature was he was always anti war and an international pacifist.

That’s all gone now and I think this was a huge strategic mistake that will have a massive unforeseen pushback.

America first doesn’t extend to invading foreign countries.
 

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MrFrankWhite said:
While you do that, we can read the indictment while Maduro is sitting in a jail cell. 100% not law enforcement though 😂

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Explain to me like I am 5 why the US need to get involved with a foreign country like this though?
Their major drug epidemic appears to be Fentanyl not Cocaine, why don't they go bust down cartel leaders like they have with Maduro?
 
Damo said:
Explain to me like I am 5 why the US need to get involved with a foreign country like this though?
Their major drug epidemic appears to be Fentanyl not Cocaine, why don't they go bust down cartel leaders like they have with Maduro?
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Its not really about just drugs, thats just a pretext. First you need to understand the Munro Doctrine. From wiki -

The Monroe Doctrine is a United States foreign policy position that opposes European colonialism in the Western Hemisphere. It holds that any intervention in the political affairs of the Americas by foreign powers is a potentially hostile act against the United States

That justified the Cuban missile crisis and others. But on Venezuela;

  1. Oil. Supply of oil but also the ability to control the price, is one of the dominant players in world politics. A lot of OUR enemies would like to see an absurdly high oil price to enrich themselves and to slow superpower economies.
  2. Oil in blackmark trading, North Korea, Venezuela, Iran and Russia all use oil trading to get around sanctions and arms trafficking. Venezuela had become a hub for this in South America
  3. Arms trafficking, VZ was trading arms with Russia, China, Hezbollah and the cartels. If they acquired any sort of ballistic missiles, they are 30mins from Miami. - See the Munroe Doctrine
  4. Drug trafficking, financing the above.
  5. People smuggling. Trump is convinced that Maduro granted freedom to criminals, drug addicts and the insane on the proviso they left and tried to enter the US
  6. Natural resources. Enough said
Also I cant discount that Russia and the US horse traded countries Ukraine and VZ and isolated China and Europe in one move, elevating Russian and US interests.
 

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I’m kinda glad that Trump DIDNT lie about this. Think of all the bullshit that the public have been fed by previous administrations, long protracted wars that cost trillions of dollars and millions of lives.

Trump got a few Zyn’d up Delta bros to snatch him up right as he’s wooing the Chinese delegation in Caracas. In and out with no soldiers on the streets and no KIA.
 
MrFrankWhite said:
Its not really about just drugs, thats just a pretext. First you need to understand the Munro Doctrine. From wiki -

The Monroe Doctrine is a United States foreign policy position that opposes European colonialism in the Western Hemisphere. It holds that any intervention in the political affairs of the Americas by foreign powers is a potentially hostile act against the United States

That justified the Cuban missile crisis and others. But on Venezuela;

  1. Oil. Supply of oil but also the ability to control the price, is one of the dominant players in world politics. A lot of OUR enemies would like to see an absurdly high oil price to enrich themselves and to slow superpower economies.
  2. Oil in blackmark trading, North Korea, Venezuela, Iran and Russia all use oil trading to get around sanctions and arms trafficking. Venezuela had become a hub for this in South America
  3. Arms trafficking, VZ was trading arms with Russia, China, Hezbollah and the cartels. If they acquired any sort of ballistic missiles, they are 30mins from Miami. - See the Munroe Doctrine
  4. Drug trafficking, financing the above.
  5. People smuggling. Trump is convinced that Maduro granted freedom to criminals, drug addicts and the insane on the proviso they left and tried to enter the US
  6. Natural resources. Enough said
Also I cant discount that Russia and the US horse traded countries Ukraine and VZ and isolated China and Europe in one move, elevating Russian and US interests.
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Makes sense.
I believe China was doing some dealings with Madura in the days preceding his capture as well.
 

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