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MrFrankWhite said:
Be careful not to put yourself in an echo chamber. I put you and Wiz as diametric opposites on the political spectrum. Opposite sides of the same coin if you will.

But as both reasonably intelligent people who seem to want the best for NZ, you’d be better off exploring why he thinks that why.
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We'll have to disagree - it's pure far right hate propaganda

Benefit of the doubt to a point for posting it - but it's a vile statement.
 

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MaybeTop8 said:
This post is full of fiction and lies.

But stating the christchurch gunman being left wing is enough for me to end all comms with you wiz. You're clearly drinking from a conspiracy riven trough that is so far out of whack it's not worth it.

That statement is vile. It's far right propaganda and clearly says where you are at.

I suspected this was the case, your rhetoric has been more and more extreme in this forum.
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I put the Christchurch shooter in to get attention!

So then simply prove me wrong! Highlight the extracts from his manifesto…

Ah ha… you can’t… The point is transparency was undermined so that nobody could contradict the narrative that was coming out.

Same as media weren’t allowed into the Wellington protests; protesters were trespassed and shut down; Peters was trespassed from parliament

The moves of a dictator - control the narrative and shut down dissenting voices!



Ps I read the Christchurch manifesto and he was a fruit loop with a fruit salad of views including green, socialists and far right.

Some interesting things in there included being heavily into environmentalism, veganism, anti immigration and cheap foreign labour, increasing the minimum wage, unionisation of workers, anti-single use plastic and dedicating at least an entire page to espousing what it calls “Green Nationalism.” In the “Answering Possible questions” section, responding to the hypothetical question, “Why focus on immigration and birthrates when climate change is such a huge issue?”
 
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Bay39er said:
Wiz is finally talking some sense!
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Your like the left media… selectively using words to fit your narrative. 🤣

But in all honesty I believe in a lot of what Labour was trying to do. I’m a past Labour fan - kiwi bank; KiwiSaver; working for families, knowledge economy, running surpluses and paying down debt - all I can vote for as positive win/win and forward thinking.

But this Labour couldn’t put it all together in a coherent group of policy that worked together. To much scattergun changing things without thinking of the unintended consequences. To much win/loss.

I support sorting out health - not in a pandemic…

I support restricting non essential immigration - but not stopping nurses in a pandemic…

I support trying to sort mental health - but not by just throwing some money at it then ignoring it

I support trying to increase housing supply - but not by increasing costs on landlords and making buying a house uneconomic

Etc, etc.
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
I put the Christchurch shooter in to get attention!

So then simply prove me wrong! Highlight the extracts from his manifesto…

Ah ha… you can’t… The point is transparency was undermined so that nobody could contradict the narrative that was coming out.

Same as media weren’t allowed into the Wellington protests; protesters were trespassed and shut down; Peters was trespassed from parliament

The moves of a dictator - control the narrative and shut down dissenting voices!



Ps I read the Christchurch manifesto and he was a fruit loop with a fruit salad of views including green, socialists and far right.

Some interesting things in there included being heavily into environmentalism, veganism, anti immigration and cheap foreign labour, increasing the minimum wage, unionisation of workers, anti-single use plastic and dedicating at least an entire page to espousing what it calls “Green Nationalism.” In the “Answering Possible questions” section, responding to the hypothetical question, “Why focus on immigration and birthrates when climate change is such a huge issue?”
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Did you read the parts about white nationalism and Great Replacement theory (Jewish plot to flood the west with immigrants and end the white race)? Do you really want that lunacy out there for public consumption and radicalisation?

I think we've discussed this before on here and a lot of us thought the manifesto should be restricted to university study of radicalisation only.
 
Worried2Death said:
Did you read the parts about white nationalism and Great Replacement theory (Jewish plot to flood the west with immigrants and end the white race)? Do you really want that lunacy out there for public consumption and radicalisation?

I think we've discussed this before on here and a lot of us thought the manifesto should be restricted to university study of radicalisation only.
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Fucking what? You clearly aren’t keeping up with the news.

Jews controlling the world is stupid because that’s a religion. Israel working to destabilise countries it views as roadblocks to control is very real.

And censoring knowledge is bullshit. Here’s an example; I for one didn’t know that transgenderism is expressed in the Talmud quite clearly. That helped shift my opinion from ambivalent to against (the process not the people) because I realised it’s a religious belief. If you don’t believe me google The 8 Genders Of Talmund.
 
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MaybeTop8 said:
Here you go MikeT12, very timely of your comment in the non political forum - https://johnmenadue.com/a-grim-atlas-guides-nzs-right-wing-politics/
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Entire piece can be discarded from this alone; They do not, by contrast, fight for the renewable energy sector’s interests, as a competitor to their dominant fossil fuel donors

MaybeTop8 said:
Dark money favouring the right in our elections - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth...ction-campaign-spending-by-third-party-groups
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That’s a rubbish article that analyses the right and obfuscates the left.
MaybeTop8 said:
Martin "Bomber" Bradbury sums it up far better than I can - https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2024/03/...t-and-mainstream-media-refuse-to-acknowledge/
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A shit article that simply summarises your other two.

Fuck all non partisan analysis by anyone with a respectable IQ. As I’ve said before, the talent pool in NZ is a muddy puddle.
 
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Noitall said:
www.1news.co.nz

Israel and the Pacific – a surprisingly close 'friendship'

Why does Israel cultivate close ties with Pacific nations? And why are some Pacific nations so eager to back Israel?
www.1news.co.nz www.1news.co.nz


Good piece on this just this morning on q and a, the political show on over here
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Exactly. Just like some Muslim extremist groups, of course there are extremist groups/countries of other religions. This certainly doesn’t make every follower an extremist in those cases, and it doesn’t here.
 
MrFrankWhite said:
Fucking what? You clearly aren’t keeping up with the news.

Jews controlling the world is stupid because that’s a religion. Israel working to destabilise countries it views as roadblocks to control is very real.

And censoring knowledge is bullshit. Here’s an example; I for one didn’t know that transgenderism is expressed in the Talmud quite clearly. That helped shift my opinion from ambivalent to against (the process not the people) because I realised it’s a religious belief. If you don’t believe me google The 8 Genders Of Talmund.
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I support the censorship and banning of the Chch massacre video primarily out of respect for for victims, it's not a war zone, its a civilian nut with delusional beliefs about certain races and religions, primarily Jews, I don't want his vid eternally jizzed over by incels on 4chan/pol.
Israel obviously has huge influence in the US, we're seeing what Never Again looks like in reality, any threat will be met with Do unto others what was done unto you, before they do it to you again. (I don't support that btw).
 
MrFrankWhite said:
And censoring knowledge is bullshit. Here’s an example; I for one didn’t know that transgenderism is expressed in the Talmud quite clearly. That helped shift my opinion from ambivalent to against (the process not the people) because I realised it’s a religious belief. If you don’t believe me google The 8 Genders Of Talmund.
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Have you read Talmud? It doesn't say there are 8 specific genders lol, they recognised that people seem to present as different identities on a spectrum, same as Faʻafafine in Samoa. What do you think Talmudic believers are brainwashing kids to be transgender? Sounds like you're just as susceptible to getting sucked in by grifters with dodgy agendas as the rest of us Sarge.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/n2yf11/the_jews_believe_in_six_genders_claim_gets_thrown/
 
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Worried2Death said:
Have you read Talmud? It doesn't say there are 8 specific genders lol, they recognised that people seem to present as different identities on a spectrum, same as Faʻafafine in Samoa. What do you think Talmudic believers are brainwashing kids to be transgender? Sounds like you're just as susceptible to getting sucked in by grifters with dodgy agendas as the rest of us Sarge.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/n2yf11/the_jews_believe_in_six_genders_claim_gets_thrown/
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You didn’t just quote a fucking reddit page as your scholarly defence did you? And I’m against most religious beliefs becoming normal sociaetal practices. Just like female circumcision. (And male too, that’s child abuse)

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The Seven Genders in the Talmud | My Jewish Learning

Thought nonbinary gender was a modern concept? Think again. The ancient Jewish understanding of gender was far more nuanced than ...
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Worried2Death said:
Israel obviously has huge influence in the US, we're seeing what Never Again looks like in reality, any threat will be met with Do unto others what was done unto you, before they do it to you again. (I don't support that btw).
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Thats not what we are seeing at all. As it turns out, the Ukraine War is largely an Israeli creation. Almost all Bidens cabinet are Jewish, as are alot of policy advisors. From CIA, to State, to Treasury to AG to Homeland Security, The worst being Victoria Nuland. They have all been long time anti-Russia hawks. Why do you think all western media is all anti-russia?

** Again let me stress, I blame the Israeli govt for geopolitical actions NOT Jewish people as a race
 
MrFrankWhite said:
You didn’t just quote a fucking reddit page as your scholarly defence did you? And I’m against most religious beliefs becoming normal sociaetal practices. Just like female circumcision. (And male too, that’s child abuse)

www.myjewishlearning.com

The Seven Genders in the Talmud | My Jewish Learning

Thought nonbinary gender was a modern concept? Think again. The ancient Jewish understanding of gender was far more nuanced than ...
www.myjewishlearning.com www.myjewishlearning.com
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I'm not a scholar, it's just opinions man, I found that an interesting thread with multiple opposing angles. Agree about circumcisions, I can only dream of how good an uncircumcised blowjob feels.
 
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MrFrankWhite said:
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Thats not what we are seeing at all. As it turns out, the Ukraine War is largely an Israeli creation. Almost all Bidens cabinet are Jewish, as are alot of policy advisors. From CIA, to State, to Treasury to AG to Homeland Security, The worst being Victoria Nuland. They have all been long time anti-Russia hawks. Why do you think all western media is all anti-russia?

** Again let me stress, I blame the Israeli govt for geopolitical actions NOT Jewish people as a race
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I think it's exactly what we're seeing, Never Again manifesting in what you're describing in Ukraine. I don't get where you're coming from, is Bibi's Israeli regime religious/Zionist, if not, what do religious texts about gender have to do with geopolitics?
 
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