I'm just here having a back and forth conversion, but if you don't want to ggAgree to disagree then.
You obviously have a preconceived opinion where whatever the govt does is wrong. We wonβt bother with more positive education, health, roading or crime stats
but... he's a positive successful entrepreneur * said often and loudly
I think hes doing a good job but holy shit he needs a pr team that tells him how to talk, when to talk and most importantly when to stfuMore boomer magnificence
Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown refers to RNZ staffer as βa Muslim terroristβ
Brown said the comments were a 'fumbled attempt at humour'.www.nzherald.co.nz
And he's not exactly Robinson Crusoe in the political arena of late
And Winston doing his best to bring down his own coalition government
I only see one poster here resorting to name calling and attacking the poster rather than arguing the subject at hand
Wayne Brown back in the day was a party animalMore boomer magnificence
Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown refers to RNZ staffer as βa Muslim terroristβ
Brown said the comments were a 'fumbled attempt at humour'.
Do you have some data to backup the hospitals are improving claim? My wife works at one and I can tell you that sounds far from the truth. Also police are doing great cause they've got cameras on every stretch of the road a few kms apart these day revenue gathering.
Just concede bro, you're ego won't take a massive hit.it's ok to admit you're wrong once in a while You're trying to argue with an actual teacher and trying to find the easy route out. All good I'll label you as a right wing troll from now on ...Agree to disagree then.
You obviously have a preconceived opinion where whatever the govt does is wrong. We wonβt bother with more positive education, health, roading or crime stats
Correct.I only see one poster here resorting to name calling and attacking the poster rather than arguing the subject at hand
lolβ¦ easy way out? I post facts and figures and he replies with anecdotes donβt have time to debate with closed minded people.
Can I ask where you got your level 3 days from? Because level 3 is lower than pre covid days, level 1 has significant downward trend. According to this, education is worse.
NCEA Level 3 attainment (Year 13 students) NCEA Level 1 attainment (Year 11 students)
Key trend % of school leavers with Level 1+ Key trend
Whatβs driving the changes?
Bottom line
End of the day our PISA results have been in terminal decline since early 2000βs and I believe the changes made will make a positive difference.Can I ask where you got your level 3 days from? Because level 3 is lower than pre covid days, level 1 has significant downward trend. According to this, education is worse.
See, I bring receipts when you ask. I love a good conversation.
Year% achieved Level 3
202570.4%
2024~69.4%
2023~67β68% (approx, slightly lower than 2024)
2022~68β69%
2021~70β72% (COVID bump years)
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# 1) Year 11 attainment (most commonly quoted βpass rateβ)
This is the % of Year 11 students who actually attempt Level 1 and achieve it.
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| Year | % achieved Level 1 |
| ---- | ----------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 2025 | **72.1%** ([NZQA][1]) |
| 2024 | **71.5%** (rises to ~79.6% later with re-assessments) ([NZQA][2]) |
| 2023 | **81.9%** ([NZQA][3]) |
| 2022 | ~mid-80% range (higher than 2023) ([NZQA][4]) |
| 2021 | ~midβhigh 80% range (COVID-influenced) ([NZQA][4]) |
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* **Clear drop from ~85β90% β low 70s**
* Big fall **between 2023 β 2024** due to:
* New Level 1 structure (fewer standards)
* **Literacy/numeracy co-requisite introduced**
* 2025 shows **slight recovery**
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# 2) School leavers with Level 1 or above
(This includes students who achieve it later, not just in Year 11)
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| Year | % |
| ---- | -------------------------- |
| 2024 | **84.2%** ([Figure.NZ][5]) |
| 2023 | **84.6%** ([Figure.NZ][5]) |
| 2022 | **85.7%** ([Figure.NZ][5]) |
| 2021 | **88.1%** ([Figure.NZ][5]) |
| 2020 | **89.4%** ([Figure.NZ][5]) |
###
* Gradual decline from ~89% β ~84%
* Less dramatic than Year 11 data because:
* Students can **pick up Level 1 later (Year 12+)**
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#
**1. Structural change (biggest factor)**
* New Level 1 introduced in 2024 with:
* Fewer, larger standards
* Mandatory literacy/numeracy requirement ([NZQA][3])
**2. Schools moving away from Level 1**
* Some schools **donβt fully offer Level 1 anymore** (focus on Level 2 instead) ([NZQA][4])
**3. COVID after-effects (earlier years)**
* Disruption affected learning and assessment consistency
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#
* **Pre-2023:** ~85β90% pass rate
* **2024β2025:** ~70β72% (new system impact)
* **Overall trend:** noticeable decline, but partly **by design (system change + shifting focus to Level 2)**
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Those differences are actually quite significant.
[1]: https://www2.nzqa.govt.nz/about-us/...inment-data-from-2025/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Provisional NCEA attainment data from 2025"
[2]: https://www2.nzqa.govt.nz/ncea/unde...ary-school-stats/2024/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Secondary statistics consolidated data files for 2024"
[3]: https://www2.nzqa.govt.nz/about-us/...-ncea-attainment-data/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "NZQA releases 2024 NCEA attainment data"
[4]: https://www2.nzqa.govt.nz/about-us/...nt-data-now-available/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "NCEA and UE 2023 attainment data now available"
[5]: https://figure.nz/chart/NxvVejbZi4nDCBNu?utm_source=chatgpt.com "School leavers with NCEA Level 1 or above in New Zealand"
1. School attendance β clear improvement
Conclusion: Attendance is clearly trending up across multiple measures. 2. Literacy & numeracy (new NCEA co-requisite) β improving Conclusion: Basic skills attainment is improving, especially for struggling students.
3. Some NCEA achievement areas improving (but uneven) However: Conclusion:
4. School leaver outcomes β modest improvement Conclusion: Some gradual improvement in completion rates, especially in certain groups.Would you like to remind us cause as far as I know you own daycare centers. Not exactly related to later education. Maybe I missed something....
Ps Iβve got the most depth and variety of education experience on this forum as long term posters will know
