Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[tyrael]

Agree to disagree then.

You obviously have a preconceived opinion where whatever the govt does is wrong. We won’t bother with more positive education, health, roading or crime stats

I'm just here having a back and forth conversion, but if you don't want to gg

 

[juju]

You're such a dick Wiz. Try and spend a day not trolling for once.

but... he's a positive successful entrepreneur * said often and loudly

 

[MaybeTop8]

More boomer magnificence

Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown refers to RNZ staffer as ‘a Muslim terrorist’

Brown said the comments were a 'fumbled attempt at humour'.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[MaybeTop8]

View: https://bsky.app/profile/cindybax.bsky.social/post/3mk7crqc6q22f

 

[miket12]

View: https://bsky.app/profile/cindybax.bsky.social/post/3mk7crqc6q22f

So, the previous government's idea was to move the cost from rate payers to tax payers.... it doesn't matter who foots the bill, it's still us. The cost doesn't go away whether you have four entities or dozens paying for.... the cost still has to be met.

 

[tyrael]

More boomer magnificence

Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown refers to RNZ staffer as ‘a Muslim terrorist’

Brown said the comments were a 'fumbled attempt at humour'.

www.nzherald.co.nz

I think hes doing a good job but holy shit he needs a pr team that tells him how to talk, when to talk and most importantly when to stfu

 

[John Nick]

I think hes doing a good job but holy shit he needs a pr team that tells him how to talk, when to talk and most importantly when to stfu

And he's not exactly Robinson Crusoe in the political arena of late

 

[snake77]

A terrible week for our politicians in terms of racial comments/actions.

Shane Jones, a former MP mocking Indian people, now Brown.

 

[John Nick]

A terrible week for our politicians in terms of racial comments/actions.

Shane Jones, a former MP mocking Indian people, now Brown.

And Winston doing his best to bring down his own coalition government
But what else would you expect from him in an election year

 

[ShaunJohnson7]

You're such a dick Wiz. Try and spend a day not trolling for once.

I only see one poster here resorting to name calling and attacking the poster rather than arguing the subject at hand

 

[Mr Drag]

More boomer magnificence

Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown refers to RNZ staffer as ‘a Muslim terrorist’

Brown said the comments were a 'fumbled attempt at humour'.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Wayne Brown back in the day was a party animal

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/psVr5ySZJC4?feature=share

 

[j_p]

Real world issues like eduction has improved 1000% (measurable as well). Hospitals are out of the media and anecdotally are catching up after falling apart at the scenes. Law and order is visibly better with the stats to back it up. Roads aren’t falling apart with 3rd world potholes everywhere anymore.

Education, health, law and order and transport are core govt stuff I think.

But im sure some will vote for feel good stuff like, what was it, ending child poverty, fixing mental health, fixing housing with a million more state houses or possibly banning oils and gas exploration (while we run out of oil and gas).

Do you have some data to backup the hospitals are improving claim? My wife works at one and I can tell you that sounds far from the truth. Also police are doing great cause they've got cameras on every stretch of the road a few kms apart these day revenue gathering.
I will say the gang patch ban has been kind of successful cause you hardly see them around anymore but my question is has it stopped the anti social behavior associated with those groups?

Education is a hard one cause you don't really see the results till further down the track but for what it's worth my kids always seem to get an extra day off for teacher only days before or after long weekends. Lucky little shits. Life is not fair

 

[j_p]

Agree to disagree then.

You obviously have a preconceived opinion where whatever the govt does is wrong. We won’t bother with more positive education, health, roading or crime stats

Just concede bro, you're ego won't take a massive hit.it's ok to admit you're wrong once in a while You're trying to argue with an actual teacher and trying to find the easy route out. All good I'll label you as a right wing troll from now on ...

 

[MaybeTop8]

I only see one poster here resorting to name calling and attacking the poster rather than arguing the subject at hand

Correct.

Your mate Frank does call people cucks, retards and exhibits nasty far right homophobic slurs and disinformation.

And your mate Wiz does spend his entire time in the political forums pushing rubbish to wind people up.

Great to see you call it out.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Fine upstanding hard right "journalist" on right wing media outlet



Poor Barry was feeling left out.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Just concede bro, you're ego won't take a massive hit.it's ok to admit you're wrong once in a while You're trying to argue with an actual teacher and trying to find the easy route out. All good I'll label you as a right wing troll from now on ...

lol… easy way out? I post facts and figures and he replies with anecdotes don’t have time to debate with closed minded people.

If I’m wrong, prove that education is worse over the past 3 years… I’ll wait.


Ps I’ve got the most depth and variety of education experience on this forum as long term posters will know

 

[tyrael]

lol… easy way out? I post facts and figures and he replies with anecdotes don’t have time to debate with closed minded people.

If I’m wrong, prove that education is worse over the past 3 years… I’ll wait.

Can I ask where you got your level 3 days from? Because level 3 is lower than pre covid days, level 1 has significant downward trend. According to this, education is worse.

See, I bring receipts when you ask. I love a good conversation.

NCEA Level 3 attainment (Year 13 students)
Year% achieved Level 3
202570.4%
2024~69.4%
2023~67–68% (approx, slightly lower than 2024)
2022~68–69%
2021~70–72% (COVID bump years)

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# 1) Year 11 attainment (most commonly quoted “pass rate”)

This is the % of Year 11 students who actually attempt Level 1 and achieve it.

### NCEA Level 1 attainment (Year 11 students)

| Year | % achieved Level 1 |
| ---- | ----------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 2025 | **72.1%** ([NZQA][1]) |
| 2024 | **71.5%** (rises to ~79.6% later with re-assessments) ([NZQA][2]) |
| 2023 | **81.9%** ([NZQA][3]) |
| 2022 | ~mid-80% range (higher than 2023) ([NZQA][4]) |
| 2021 | ~mid–high 80% range (COVID-influenced) ([NZQA][4]) |

### Key trend

* **Clear drop from ~85–90% → low 70s**
* Big fall **between 2023 → 2024** due to:

* New Level 1 structure (fewer standards)
* **Literacy/numeracy co-requisite introduced**
* 2025 shows **slight recovery**

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# 2) School leavers with Level 1 or above

(This includes students who achieve it later, not just in Year 11)

### % of school leavers with Level 1+

| Year | % |
| ---- | -------------------------- |
| 2024 | **84.2%** ([Figure.NZ][5]) |
| 2023 | **84.6%** ([Figure.NZ][5]) |
| 2022 | **85.7%** ([Figure.NZ][5]) |
| 2021 | **88.1%** ([Figure.NZ][5]) |
| 2020 | **89.4%** ([Figure.NZ][5]) |

### Key trend

* Gradual decline from ~89% → ~84%
* Less dramatic than Year 11 data because:

* Students can **pick up Level 1 later (Year 12+)**

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# What’s driving the changes?

**1. Structural change (biggest factor)**

* New Level 1 introduced in 2024 with:

* Fewer, larger standards
* Mandatory literacy/numeracy requirement ([NZQA][3])

**2. Schools moving away from Level 1**

* Some schools **don’t fully offer Level 1 anymore** (focus on Level 2 instead) ([NZQA][4])

**3. COVID after-effects (earlier years)**

* Disruption affected learning and assessment consistency

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# Bottom line

* **Pre-2023:** ~85–90% pass rate
* **2024–2025:** ~70–72% (new system impact)
* **Overall trend:** noticeable decline, but partly **by design (system change + shifting focus to Level 2)**

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Those differences are actually quite significant.

[1]: https://www2.nzqa.govt.nz/about-us/...inment-data-from-2025/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Provisional NCEA attainment data from 2025"
[2]: https://www2.nzqa.govt.nz/ncea/unde...ary-school-stats/2024/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Secondary statistics consolidated data files for 2024"
[3]: https://www2.nzqa.govt.nz/about-us/...-ncea-attainment-data/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "NZQA releases 2024 NCEA attainment data"
[4]: https://www2.nzqa.govt.nz/about-us/...nt-data-now-available/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "NCEA and UE 2023 attainment data now available"
[5]: https://figure.nz/chart/NxvVejbZi4nDCBNu?utm_source=chatgpt.com "School leavers with NCEA Level 1 or above in New Zealand"