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[wizard of Tauranga]

Your timeline doesn't add up.

The document the Herald found was in March 2022, the exact time the government used that advice to scrap the mandates.
You can't blame a Minister for not acting on a red flag in 2021 that his own Ministry admitted they didn't properly flag to him until months later. As soon as the technical risk benefit was made clear to Cabinet, the mandates were gone. That's following actual evidence and not an opinion.

https://www.covid19lessons.royalcommission.nz/reports-lessons-learned/main-report-phase-2/part-2-key-decisions-our-assessments-and-findings/2-2-vaccine-mandates

When did he receive the advice though?

The Ministry had the advice in 2021 and Hipkins letter to cabinet in March indicated he already knew the advice…. So when did he receive it?

The mandates for 12-18 year olds was stopped in September - 6 months after him 100% knowing in March… in that 6 months he never communicated the risk or acted with urgency.

It’s doctors fault apparently, even though he kept the mandates for AT LEAST an extra 6 months.

Everyone around Hipkins always seems to be wrong and never him (just my opinion)

 

[Damo]

When did he receive the advice though?

The Ministry had the advice in 2021 and Hipkins letter to cabinet in March indicated he already knew the advice…. So when did he receive it?

The mandates for 12-18 year olds was stopped in September - 6 months after him 100% knowing in March… in that 6 months he never communicated the risk or acted with urgency.

It’s doctors fault apparently, even though he kept the mandates for AT LEAST an extra 6 months.

Everyone around Hipkins always seems to be wrong and never him (just my opinion)

What are you talking about? The Vaccine Passes, and working in schools mandates were dropped on April 4 around 10 days after the March letter to cabinet.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

What are you talking about? The Vaccine Passes, and working in schools mandates were dropped on April 4 around 10 days after the March letter to cabinet.

April dropped the vaccine pass to get into shops. Job specific mandates remained until August with the final ones removed on 26 September

‘From 4 April, vaccine passes will no longer be needed to get into shops and venues, and vaccine mandates will be dropped for workers in education, police and the defence force. Those working in health, corrections, aged care and at the border will still need to be vaccinated to work.’

‘A new beginning’: New Zealand to drop Covid vaccine passes and mandates

PM Jacinda Ardern, who oversaw some of the toughest restrictions in the world, says rules will relax after Omicron peak in early April

www.theguardian.com

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/covid-19-protection-framework-retired-nz-moves-forward-certainty

 

[Damo]

April dropped the vaccine pass to get into shops. Job specific mandates remained until August with the final ones removed on 26 September

‘From 4 April, vaccine passes will no longer be needed to get into shops and venues, and vaccine mandates will be dropped for workers in education, police and the defence force. Those working in health, corrections, aged care and at the border will still need to be vaccinated to work.’

‘A new beginning’: New Zealand to drop Covid vaccine passes and mandates

PM Jacinda Ardern, who oversaw some of the toughest restrictions in the world, says rules will relax after Omicron peak in early April

www.theguardian.com

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/covid-19-protection-framework-retired-nz-moves-forward-certainty

How many 12 - 18 year olds work in health, corrections, aged care and at the border??

Come on bro Unless you’re suggesting there was a massive workforce of 14 year old prison guards or border agents, the September date is largely irrelevant. Hipkins presented the risk advice in late March, and the rules that predominantly affected young people were gone within 10 days. That’s acting on the data not delaying for six months.

 

[MaybeTop8]

How many 12 - 18 year olds work in health, corrections, aged care and at the border??

Come on bro Unless you’re suggesting there was a massive workforce of 14 year old prison guards or border agents, the September date is largely irrelevant. Hipkins presented the risk advice in late March, and the rules that predominantly affected young people were gone within 10 days. That’s acting on the data not delaying for six months.

So patient Damo, kudos.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

So patient Damo, kudos.

It’s called respectful debate. It’s only politics - nothing important like who starts at fullback next week!

At the end of the day I can agree to disagree with @Damo and head back to the Warriors threads where our views mostly align

 

[MaybeTop8]

It’s called respectful debate. It’s only politics - nothing important like who starts at fullback next week!

At the end of the day I can agree to disagree with @Damo and head back to the Warriors threads where our views mostly align

As always, nothing you utter in here meets any definition of debate.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

As always, nothing you utter in here meets any definition of debate.

I mirror the attitude of the poster in conversing with

Funny you get that impression…

 

[Damo]

As always, nothing you utter in here meets any definition of debate.

If you deal in facts rather than emotion it gets you a lot further.

 

[Worried2Death]

I mirror the attitude of the poster in conversing with

Funny you get that impression…

It's like watching Travis Bickle talking to himself in the mirror.

 

[John Nick]

It's like watching Travis Bickle talking to himself in the mirror.

Except the meter is still running

 

[MaybeTop8]

If you deal in facts rather than emotion it gets you a lot further.

True, of course fact is my starting point.

 

[MaybeTop8]

A good idea

Two Australian states offer free public transport to ease fuel pain

Australians in two states will be able to travel on public transport for free to take pressure off household budgets as fuel costs surge.

www.1news.co.nz

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

True, of course fact is my starting point.

SHOW ME THE FACTS ABOUT MY TAX EVASION you liar

 

[MrFrankWhite]

SHOW ME THE FACTS ABOUT MY TAX EVASION you liar

Arguing with the guy who doesn't read his own links bro...

 

[MaybeTop8]

SHOW ME THE FACTS ABOUT MY TAX EVASION you liar

The original line was tongue in cheek but since you asked. 1. Landlord with multiple rentals 2. Self employed with at least one business.

No way you'll be paying the same rates as ordinary folk. A lot will be creatively written off.

As most the same as you do. That's the nature of it.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

The original line was tongue in cheek but since you asked. 1. Landlord with multiple rentals 2. Self employed with at least one business.

No way you'll be paying the same rates as ordinary folk. A lot will be creatively written off.

As most the same as you do. That's the nature of it.

Tougue in cheek… I’ll remember that one

I pay everything I’m required to, stick to all the rules and am not creative at all.

It’s just I don’t personally earn any income so don’t pay much tax

 

[MrFrankWhite]

It’s just I don’t personally earn any income so don’t pay much tax

You are going to set him off with this one

 

[Inruin]

Tougue in cheek… I’ll remember that one

I pay everything I’m required to, stick to all the rules and am not creative at all.

It’s just I don’t personally earn any income so don’t pay much tax

I'd suggest you have contributed more tax dollars, taken far more risk and provided more employment for people than the guy making false claims about you.

 

[Mr Drag]

Tougue in cheek… I’ll remember that one

I pay everything I’m required to, stick to all the rules and am not creative at all.

It’s just I don’t personally earn any income so don’t pay much tax

Our own Kiwi Musk!