Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[John Nick]

All I’ve seen reported is explosive allegations from Coster? Not much about him since but rather questioning Hipkins and Mitchell on their memories. Hipkins is on the breakfast show tomorrow so you can guarantee he will have questions posed to him and it’s sounding like Mitchell knew 3 weeks prior to saying he did at this stage?

Saw this morning & only briefly had time to digest. I am getting a totally new slant on the issue now. Especially with Hipkins saying he believes Mitchels version. .

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

While I would agree at this point they’ll go back in, a week in politics is a lifetime let alone 10 months. Things could be better, things could be worse such is the volatility of the world currently. If I was placing a bet, it would be on them to go back in

Yeah & always potential for scandals etc to derail things. However at this point I think there just hasn’t been enough time for the voting public to forget how diabolical things were under Jacinda & Robertson.

 

[Inruin]

What I heard reported was that Hipkins had no recollection not that he denied it

Labour leader Chris Hipkins 'absolutely certain' he wasn't told about McSkimming

The Labour leader and former police minister says he had no conversation on the matter with former police commissioner Andrew Coster in 2022.

www.rnz.co.nz

 

[defensivebomb]

Yeah & always potential for scandals etc to derail things. However at this point I think there just hasn’t been enough time for the voting public to forget how diabolical things were under Jacinda & Robertson.

If you have a look at what's been served up by the alternatives these last couple of years:

• Labour - largely unnoticeable
• Greens - irrelevance and party identity crisis
• TPM - nepotism and infighting

I wouldn't be surprised to see three terms out of the centre right at this point. All they really have to do is put their head down and execute some boring but necessary improvements to infrastructure and pro-business / economic initiatives

 

[John Nick]

Labour leader Chris Hipkins 'absolutely certain' he wasn't told about McSkimming

The Labour leader and former police minister says he had no conversation on the matter with former police commissioner Andrew Coster in 2022.

www.rnz.co.nz

Hipkins also said when questioned about whether he believed that Mitchell was telling the truth about his not having the same conversation he said yes. He doesn't believe Mitchell was informed either

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

If you have a look at what's been served up by the alternatives these last couple of years:

• Labour - largely unnoticeable
• Greens - irrelevance and party identity crisis
• TPM - nepotism and infighting

I wouldn't be surprised to see three terms out of the centre right at this point. All they really have to do is put their head down and execute some boring but necessary improvements to infrastructure and pro-business / economic initiatives

Yes & I think the key to a third term would be shifting Luxon on to greener pastures, in fact any pasture that isn’t PM would do.

Funny though because reading this thread you’d be mistaken for believing that NZ is currently in political turmoil. Thankfully it’s mostly just fringe vocal minority, deeply offended at nothing, dribble.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Yes & I think the key to a third term would be shifting Luxon on to greener pastures, in fact any pasture that isn’t PM would do.

Funny though because reading this thread you’d be mistaken for believing that NZ is currently in political turmoil. Thankfully it’s mostly just fringe vocal minority, deeply offended at nothing, dribble.

Plenty of dribble on offer here.

 

[Inruin]

Plenty of dribble on offer here.

We will pass. Thanks for acknowledging and the offer though.

 

[defensivebomb]

Plenty of dribble up the court, followed by a buzzer-beating slam dunk

and the crowd of 5 million goes wild

 

[Noitall]

Yeah & always potential for scandals etc to derail things. However at this point I think there just hasn’t been enough time for the voting public to forget how diabolical things were under Jacinda & Robertson.

At the same time, very little between either with national on 36 and labour on 35, it’s the coalition partners giving the majority. Still a very close election ahead I believe and I don’t think labour will be disheartened at all with a failed leadership coup and Luxon holding the top job with his weak leadership

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Willis expecting Richardson to be critical of debt levels

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

At the same time, very little between either with national on 36 and labour on 35, it’s the coalition partners giving the majority. Still a very close election ahead I believe and I don’t think labour will be disheartened at all with a failed leadership coup and Luxon holding the top job with his weak leadership

Yes, I’m sure Labour benefiting from the loss of credibility & subsequent popularity of the hard left minority parties. Surprising it took so long really.

Re the coup, I’m not sure how much of that is just the NZ media trying to do what the NZ media does, make shit up. As I’ve said before, I’d love Luxon to be ousted, however based on a couple of things I’ve heard I doubt there’s been any real appetite from anyone for a coup.

 

[juju]

At the same time, very little between either with national on 36 and labour on 35, it’s the coalition partners giving the majority. Still a very close election ahead I believe and I don’t think labour will be disheartened at all with a failed leadership coup and Luxon holding the top job with his weak leadership

And the Tax Payers Union about to launch a smear campaign on the finance minister which is pretty unprecedented.

Certainly not turmoil - but definitely shaky.

 

[Noitall]

Yes, I’m sure Labour benefiting from the loss of credibility & subsequent popularity of the hard left minority parties. Surprising it took so long really.

Re the coup, I’m not sure how much of that is just the NZ media trying to do what the NZ media does, make shit up. As I’ve said before, I’d love Luxon to be ousted, however based on a couple of things I’ve heard I doubt there’s been any real appetite from anyone for a coup.

Really not a huge amount between greens and act and both look to have learned to go to ground rather than negative headlines. I’d be as confident of national returning to government as I was in 2017 and think like that election that Winston will decide the next. Could see a minority leader get half a term at pm for the first time to sweeten the deal? Often a good indication of some sort of leadership challenge is the challenger often has some sort of demotion come their way, so I’ll be interested to see Luxon and Bishop’s interactions

 

[defensivebomb]

And the Tax Payers Union about to launch a smear campaign on the finance minister which is pretty unprecedented.

Certainly not turmoil - but definitely shaky.

To be honest, I actually think that's a decent reason, for those on the left, to take a bit of solace in the current government

If the Taxpayers Union thinks she is too moderate, then centre / left voters shouldn't be too disheartened that she's there. Which *should* be a better outcome for those voters than if the TPU got its way

If the government sticks it out with Willis, we'll continue to get boring but moderate policy enacted, rather than a hard swing to the right. Which in my view would have more legs in it than a liberal alternative

 

[Bay39er]

Hipkins also said when questioned about whether he believed that Mitchell was telling the truth about his not having the same conversation he said yes. He doesn't believe Mitchell was informed either

One has to understand human nature

If Hipkins said that he disbelieved Mitchell then effectively he is saying that what Coster said was correct and therefore he is inadvertently inferring that he himself had been put in the picture.

 

[MaybeTop8]

To be honest, I actually think that's a decent reason, for those on the left, to take a bit of solace in the current government

If the Taxpayers Union thinks she is too moderate, then centre / left voters shouldn't be too disheartened that she's there. Which *should* be a better outcome for those voters than if the TPU got its way

If the government sticks it out with Willis, we'll continue to get boring but moderate policy enacted, rather than a hard swing to the right. Which in my view would have more legs in it than a liberal alternative

She's appalling though

 

[defensivebomb]

She's appalling though

Who would you replace her with? One of Seymour’s team?

 

[juju]

To be honest, I actually think that's a decent reason, for those on the left, to take a bit of solace in the current government

If the Taxpayers Union thinks she is too moderate, then centre / left voters shouldn't be too disheartened that she's there. Which *should* be a better outcome for those voters than if the TPU got its way

If the government sticks it out with Willis, we'll continue to get boring but moderate policy enacted, rather than a hard swing to the right. Which in my view would have more legs in it than a liberal alternative

According to Hooton it's not because Willis is too moderate, just that she's a worse finance minister then Grant
Admittedly there will be alot of infighting and ideology differences at play.

Union sources say they have searched their consciences and feel they have no choice but to turn on Willis given their robust attacks on Finance Minister Grant Robertson through the last four fiscally vandalous years of the Ardern-Hipkins regime – particularly in 2022 and 2023 after Covid lockdowns and border controls were behind us.

The union points out that Willis is now taxing, spending and borrowing more than Robertson, while bureaucrat numbers have fallen by fewer than 1000 and still sit around 63,000.

Willis will borrow $2.7 billion more in 2025-26 than Robertson did in 2023-24 and gross and net debt are at record levels.

 

[juju]

To be honest, I actually think that's a decent reason, for those on the left, to take a bit of solace in the current government

If the Taxpayers Union thinks she is too moderate, then centre / left voters shouldn't be too disheartened that she's there. Which *should* be a better outcome for those voters than if the TPU got its way

If the government sticks it out with Willis, we'll continue to get boring but moderate policy enacted, rather than a hard swing to the right. Which in my view would have more legs in it than a liberal alternative

But yes the whole modus operandi of the TPU is to pressure governments to keep them on the right wing side of policy