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[Mr. Brownstone]

No I'm just making a point if you're friends with someone & have greatly benefited from your relationship in your business dealings - your public utterances are not credible at all.
Think you can stop quoting him now, he seems like a knob.

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He’s done pretty damn well down at the Port, turnaround has been excellent. Unless I’m missing where Luxon gave him a helping hand?? He’s ok, a bit over the top but there’s plenty worse out there.

 

[MaybeTop8]

And yet the results are there.

You lefties are weird. Hard to play the victim card when the results are equitable. Seem to prefer to keep the poor down. Amazing

Desperation from Inruin. You start with a hard right opinion you can't back up and end up here.

 

[Inruin]

Desperation from Inruin

And still no actual counter of the results.

Desperation is where we found our education system. How good to see positive signs.

 

[juju]

And yet the results are there.

You lefties are weird. Hard to play the victim card when the results are equitable. Seem to prefer to keep the poor down. Amazing

The same article you posted links to literal maths professor very strongly querying the results.

Are you really this thick and disingenuous?

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Looks like our emissions obligations could could play apart with some trade deals

 

[MaybeTop8]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Looks like our emissions obligations could could play apart with some trade deals

That was always going to be the case sadly

 

[Inruin]

The same article you posted links to literal maths professor very strongly querying the results.

Are you really this thick and disingenuous?

Actually her query is saying that the testing wasn't based on the whole curriculum, which is correct and was stated at the very beginning as being focused on 4 key areas. So, she is correct as well as the results being correct. That's not being thick or disingenuous. Perhaps reading comprehension and critical thinking isn't your strong point?

Oh well, it appears it's just me that's happy to see improvement in maths results and including māori and PI students

All good

 

[Noitall]

Actually her query is saying that the testing wasn't based on the whole curriculum, which is correct and was stated at the very beginning as being focused on 4 key areas. So, she is correct as well as the results being correct. That's not being thick or disingenuous. Perhaps reading comprehension and critical thinking isn't your strong point?

Oh well, it appears it's just me that's happy to see improvement in maths results and including Maori and PI students

All good

Won’t really know whether it’s a success or not until earliest 2028 with the new curriculum unrolled in 2026

 

[juju]

Actually her query is saying that the testing wasn't based on the whole curriculum, which is correct and was stated at the very beginning as being focused on 4 key areas. So, she is correct as well as the results being correct. That's not being thick or disingenuous. Perhaps reading comprehension and critical thinking isn't your strong point?

Oh well, it appears it's just me that's happy to see improvement in maths results and including Maori and PI students

All good

Quite the word soup you got going on there.

Yes the ministry is fudging the data and results to look good. Glad we could clear that up.

 

[Inruin]

Won’t really know whether it’s a success or not until earliest 2028 with the new curriculum unrolled in 2026

Indeed, which is why I said earlier that the results are promising but need to continue. The one thing we do know is that if we did nothing, the declining results were very likely to continue.

I think the banning of cellphones, changing from shared mixed use classrooms back to individual ones, a focus on the basics of maths, reading and writing, and helping lift the students who are falling behind is the right path to head down.

At the end of the day, if we want more equitable outcomes, higher wages etc it has to start with education. Right through from ECE onwards.

 

[Inruin]

Quite the word soup you got going on there.

Yes the ministry is fudging the data and results to look good. Glad we could clear that up.

Now who is being thick and disingenuous

 

[MaybeTop8]

Now who is being thick and disingenuous

Well, you.

 

[Noitall]

Indeed, which is why I said earlier that the results are promising but need to continue. The one thing we do know is that if we did nothing, the declining results were very likely to continue.

I think the banning of cellphones, changing from shared mixed use classrooms back to individual ones, a focus on the basics of maths, reading and writing, and helping lift the students who are falling behind is the right path to head down.

At the end of the day, if we want more equitable outcomes, higher wages etc it has to start with education. Right through from ECE onwards.

Also need good teachers to achieve any of those things so it pays to look after them. Banning phones while more and more students work off a tablet seems like it could only for the reasons of communication when anything else is possible off the tablet? Communication too usually unless there’s a setting to prohibit? It will be interesting to see if the changes have results because I’m not convinced that the poor results we see aren’t because of the technology and other things these young people are exposed to?

 

[Inruin]

Well, you.

still waiting for your facts to counter. Obviously not your strong suit is it, facts

 

[Inruin]

Also need good teachers to achieve any of those things so it pays to look after them. Banning phones while more and more students work off a tablet seems like it could only for the reasons of communication when anything else is possible off the tablet? Communication too usually unless there’s a setting to prohibit? It will be interesting to see if the changes have results because I’m not convinced that the poor results we see aren’t because of the technology and other things these young people are exposed to?

Feedback from teachers has been really positive about the changes to students behaviour since the phone ban. There are still challenges around compliance and parents undermining that compliance by ringing or messaging their children during school times.

Review finds school phone ban is working, could smartwatches be next?

The Education Review Office says the government should consider going a step further and also block access to social media during school hours.

www.rnz.co.nz

 

[MaybeTop8]

still waiting for your facts to counter. Obviously not your strong suit is it, facts

Jaysis it's a stuck record. THE OPINION PIECE HAD NO FACTS OR LINKS.

 

[miket12]

Jaysis it's a stuck record. THE OPINION PIECE HAD NO FACTS OR LINKS.

You do realise that you've just said applies to most opinion pieces posted on here.... no matter which side of the political spectrum the poster and author/journalist/blogger is.

 

[MaybeTop8]

You do realise that you've just said applies to most opinion pieces posted on here.... no matter which side of the political spectrum the poster and author/journalist/blogger is.

100 MIke, if there's no links and articles of journalistic fact inside those opinion pieces.

When someone asks for the "facts" to be proven from their own sourced opinion piece that doesn't actually quote any or link to anything then that's a bit much isn't it?

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Please provide some actual journalism. With independent verifiable links to actual facts.

What does independent mean, You mean like Bomber, The Guardian or Bluesky? I'm surprised you haven't linked No Right Turn or Against the Current. Good reads too.

 

[MaybeTop8]

What does independent mean, You mean like Bomber, The Guardian or Bluesky? I'm surprised you haven't linked No Right Turn or Against the Current. Good reads too.

I do read one of those