Sure Mike, but please elaborate. What is taken over by whom? Good to stick to facts, so references to the correct areas would be handy
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Shall I jump in here and say the Iwi Chairs? Have it on good authority that was the gameplan.
That's not in any of the official outlines or sources though right? It is a convenient attack line from Those on the right though, along with the standard other attack lines
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Been through it to many times with youβ¦. the government, through 3 Waters only paid councils for the depreciated value of the assets and leaving the councils with huge debts without the ability to charge water rates and instead the loans would needed to have been repaid with increased rates.
The best option is to go back to before the RMA was changed by Helen Clarkβs government who gave into the Councils and allowed councils to put development contributions into the consolidated funds instead of the development contributions being used for water supply and disposal.
Personally, Iβd favour a hybrid model of 3 Waters and local ownership, as favoured by some of the largest infrastructure engineers where a government entity takes over (after paying councils a fair amount to cover the cost) of the water supply treatment, waste water treatment and stormwater interception lines. These is the infrastructure that entities like ARC used to own and run.
The local supply and smaller waste and stormwater lines would remain under council control and collect water rates for both the council and central entity. Additional money for major infrastructure can come from private/public partnerships while ownership stays with the government for all the largest infrastructure engineers assets.
It actually comes from the better half who is probably well qualified to comment. I wouldn't really say she is right, or left or whatever those things are but she sure as hell is an activist in terms of if she thinks something isn't fair, it's in boots and all.
This is why I bang on about the tax benefits to mΔori Companies and Trusts. She can claim it, I can't. Bit weird to have to go down the back of the bus in a country that fought (She and I were those soldiers) long and hard to rid South Africa of apartheid. And don't forget the shit storm in Sudan my friends. Gaza pales into insignificance to what is happening there.
Plus I may have mentioned earlier, she considers grifters to be amongst the lower forms of life. Funny really, use to be used car salesmen, now it's lawyers, spoke persons and political wannabees.
Forgot to add, and this is probably also relevant to our development as a club, her favourite comment to the kids and grandkids is "If you're Good enough, you're Good enough" Take it as you will.
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I can only look at what I search for very basically, with all due respect. And even this basic search, from reputable factual sources, contradicts what you've said in your first sentence Mike. I don't doubt what you say after that has merit and context.
There was and still is a very clear disinformation campaign full of fear and anti mΔori sentiment that Labour never successfully countered. That's on them.
I'm keen for facts though, very keen.
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There was and still is a very clear disinformation campaign full of fear and anti mΔori sentiment that Labour never successfully countered. That's on them.
I'm keen for facts though, very keen.
Three Waters reform β A bridge over troubled waters, or a bridge too far?
In 2020 the government announced a suite of reforms entitled Three Waters.
Water services reform about the reform programme - dia.govt.nz
What the hell is Three Waters? An explainer | E-Tangata
βWe want safe drinking water, reliable stormwater systems and clean beaches. Doing nothing is not an option.β And also: βWhy give in to racism?β β Simon Wilson on Three Waters.
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All of which is a nice distraction from the far right pushing for hard educational change and privatisation of our schools.
Would be nice to see some of you angry about three waters speak up about that, after all it's happening right in front of you and blatantly corrupt.
Would be nice to see some of you angry about three waters speak up about that, after all it's happening right in front of you and blatantly corrupt.
Her words, not so much the chairs who are complicit (in her opinion as they preside over $1b of the NZ internal economy) but the likes of Tamihere, Jackson and the Harawira's who continually grift public funds but don't seem to do much to alleviate the negative statistics for mΔori. TMP are in the same boat in terms of, what have they actually done for our people other than embarrass us.
And is often pointed out to me, Guess who Time magazine named Man of the year in 1938.
Populism is politics
Populism is politics
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Crapβ¦.. Watercare alone is worth over $14 billion and is spending an extra $1 billion for additional infrastructure this financial year and has obtained bank funding for an additional $3.4 billion for new infrastructure for the following three years. Watercares long term plan is to spend over $11 billion over ten years. Yet. the previous government provided $2.5 billion for 3 Waters to be set up and for the first five years of infrastructure over the entire country. WaterCare alone would have taken twice that amount.I can only look at what I search for very basically, with all due respect. And even this basic search, from reputable factual sources, contradicts what you've said in your first sentence Mike. I don't doubt what you say after that has merit and context.
There was and still is a very clear disinformation campaign full of fear and anti Maori sentiment that Labour never successfully countered. That's on them.
I'm keen for facts though, very keen.
Three Waters reform β A bridge over troubled waters, or a bridge too far?
In 2020 the government announced a suite of reforms entitled Three Waters.
Water services reform about the reform programme - dia.govt.nz
What the hell is Three Waters? An explainer | E-Tangata
βWe want safe drinking water, reliable stormwater systems and clean beaches. Doing nothing is not an option.β And also: βWhy give in to racism?β β Simon Wilson on Three Waters.
When will you realise that both the major parties underfund thingsβ¦. and when thereβs a change of government, the old blame the new for not making the funding available. Case in point, roading infrastructure vs Auckland light rail.
2018 and then mayor Goff and transport minister Phil Goff announced the Auckland Transport Alignment Project 2018 which had a budget of $28 billion for transport infrastructure including light rail in Auckland. Fast forward to now and, with the exception of the Auckland Light Rail project, most of the projects in the report have been completed. So, Auckland Council, along with central government funding, have completed or near completed will over $20 billion transport infrastructure in seven years.
Yet, the current governmentβs RoNS, for a cost of $30 billion over twenty years for the entire country is going to βbankrupt the countryβ but one city having 2/3s of that amount hasnβt.
Itβs all politicsβ¦.. underfund something, blame the previous government, create a crisisβ¦. and then tax people more or cut costs or sell assets, or privatise servicesβ¦. all in the name of not accepting their own failures.
Oh, and itβs not just a neoliberal thingβ¦. Itβs been going on for decades. The Auckland Harbour bridge was originally going to have as many as six lanes according to the 1946 Royal Commission but was cut back. Robbieβs planned light rail system from 1972 scrapped.
These happened years before neolib policies of Thatcher, Reagan and Bolger (and, too a lesser extent, Douglas).
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Hmm, who to believe about 3 watersβ¦
Our resident expert on infrastructure that has industry knowledge and is pretty centralistβ¦
Or our conspiracy theorist, those analysis is so one eyed he sees what he wants to see.
Hmmβ¦ so hard to choose
Maybe we just need to go with the election result where Labour were booted to touch for their shambolic and divisive 3 water agenda!
Our resident expert on infrastructure that has industry knowledge and is pretty centralistβ¦
Or our conspiracy theorist, those analysis is so one eyed he sees what he wants to see.
Hmm⦠so hard to choose
Maybe we just need to go with the election result where Labour were booted to touch for their shambolic and divisive 3 water agenda!
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How is that taken over? How is it different to any other major government project?
Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba
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You've got a hybrid model now - shit in your drinking water AND higher rates.
Lord Gnome of Mooloolaba
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Hmm, who to believe about 3 watersβ¦
Our resident expert on infrastructure that has industry knowledge and is pretty centralistβ¦
Or our conspiracy theorist, those analysis is so one eyed he sees what he wants to see.
Hmm⦠so hard to choose
Maybe we just need to go with the election result where Labour were booted to touch for their shambolic and divisive 3 water agenda!
I'm a leftist.
But you don't know how much I was involved in that project I guess.
wizard of Tauranga
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Hard to judge people who a proudly left and leave one of the most leftist countries in the world for a more right based country.
All the ideals but want the money from exploiting the environment
And anyway, how could you be involved in the water project, I thought you were in transport busy building all the bus lanes?
He's had more jobs than you've had wivesHard to judge people who a proudly left and leave one of the most leftist countries in the world for a more right based country.
All the ideals but want the money from exploiting the environment
And anyway, how could you be involved in the water project, I thought you were in transport busy building all the bus lanes?
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And arguments.
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I bet heβs blown a few as well
I remember him saying he got the wiring contract for the Mormon church when he was an electrician, that explains all the blazing infernos.
