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Kieran Mcnulty will be announced as new leader early part of next year
That’s been my view for the last couple of years. He and Bishop have a segment on the breakfast show and I reckon Bishop will be national leader in the coming years too
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I'm not sure the government are not preforming as well as the forum righty persuasion would lead us to believe.
Luxon is polling really badly in preferred PM & is perceived as pretty weak and disingenuous by the public, as well being seen to allow some pretty divisive policy to enter the public discourse.
With the way the opposition have been performing surely they should be further ahead in the polls - but they're not.
Going to be interesting... just like the race for the Top 8
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I don’t think they’re going great either however it’s all relative & their predecessors had a shocker.
In retrospect they wasted alot of money.
But so did nearly all countries.
They're judged harshly here by some but I think thats pretty unfair given the unique and fluid time the pandemic globally.
We might be judging the current government in 5 years as one that prioritised tobacco, landlords, mining, eroded workers rights and was anti māori.
Not a very nice legacy to leave - non of which was the last governments fault.
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Yeah perhaps, but plenty don’t have a problem with some of what you listed - landlords & mining for starters, and TPM are doing the pro-māori movement (which I think most NZ’ers support) no favours. In fact isn’t that the single biggest issue for Labour - in time their crazy excess spending will be forgotten, but the more TPM & the Greens move away from centre, the more they erode Labours chances? I dunno, interesting times ahead.
Yeah interesting times ahead for sure
Don't think Labour have the fiscal skills necessary and I don't think the current government is going well either
Minor parties distracting from the real issues trying to make themselves relevant and gaining traction before the next election.
We have had a bit of a clear-out in both parties. Probably a big drop in experience. That is mainly a problem with the nuances of politics, or the procedural things. Not sure if the people there now are an improvement or not. Leaning towards not at the moment.
For the minor parties how we implement MMP is an issue. The minor parties do push too hard with their bottom lines. If you get 5-7% of the vote you should be pushing for a few of your policies. Not specifying our major changes to the tax system as a non-negotiable, for example. If they get a higher percentage of the vote than fair enough you can push for more say.
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For the covid spending and the previous government not listening to the Treasury about slowing down spending.
The pandemic was a unique situation. So, some of the decisions you have to make and live with.
My opinion is the decisions early in the pandemic should be more immune to criticism. They should still be reviewed and learnt from.
The pandemic response went on for a few years, so the decisions made later on, like the Treasury advice to slow down, should be more open to criticism. As you have the previous years to learn from.
I've done a lot of work in business continuity. How do you recover from a disaster or from a cyber event etc. The pandemic response is pretty similar. We closed our borders, similar to how a business would cut off its connection to the internet to resolve the breach or patch/rebuild its machines. Similar to vaccinations.
After the fact, you'd have a report to learn from it.
As much as we heard about "saving lives" and health. How much have we seen about health since the pandemic ended? Not the health system but the actual health of the population?
One of the reasons we had lockdowns was our hospitals wouldn't cope. When we finally changed our response and the cases increased, we saw the hospitals become overrun. Headlines for that continue after covid.
Going into the last election and since the election. How much have we heard about investing in our health system? We have probably heard more about roads or other things instead. A sign that things have moved on. But also a worry for the next pandemic.
The other concern for me is education. A lot of kids will be behind where they should be due to being stuck at home.
The pandemic was a unique situation. So, some of the decisions you have to make and live with.
My opinion is the decisions early in the pandemic should be more immune to criticism. They should still be reviewed and learnt from.
The pandemic response went on for a few years, so the decisions made later on, like the Treasury advice to slow down, should be more open to criticism. As you have the previous years to learn from.
I've done a lot of work in business continuity. How do you recover from a disaster or from a cyber event etc. The pandemic response is pretty similar. We closed our borders, similar to how a business would cut off its connection to the internet to resolve the breach or patch/rebuild its machines. Similar to vaccinations.
After the fact, you'd have a report to learn from it.
As much as we heard about "saving lives" and health. How much have we seen about health since the pandemic ended? Not the health system but the actual health of the population?
One of the reasons we had lockdowns was our hospitals wouldn't cope. When we finally changed our response and the cases increased, we saw the hospitals become overrun. Headlines for that continue after covid.
Going into the last election and since the election. How much have we heard about investing in our health system? We have probably heard more about roads or other things instead. A sign that things have moved on. But also a worry for the next pandemic.
The other concern for me is education. A lot of kids will be behind where they should be due to being stuck at home.
Nothing article.... gives Labour credit for inflation going down 0.25% after the election they lost and yet gives no credit to National for inflation dropping another 2.00%.... or a reduction in inflation 8 times what he credits Labour for. And people wonder why he was let go off by the Listener for not being objective as a political reporter.
It's a pity he was let go off by the Listener.... Campbell is actually one of the best investigative journalists we have in this country.... just a pity he didn't stick to that but instead let his political leanings come too much to the fore. It was a sad day for investigative journalism in NZ when Pamela Stirling got rid of him.
I personally think a governing-alone National government would have the country in an acceptable shape, given circumstances.
It's the other two parties that are pulling it in odd directions.
National itself is actually being fairly moderate. A commentator called it "Labour-lite". Which I don't disagree with. That moderation *should* have appealed to most NZers. It's the other two that have introduced the oddities.
It's the other two parties that are pulling it in odd directions.
National itself is actually being fairly moderate. A commentator called it "Labour-lite". Which I don't disagree with. That moderation *should* have appealed to most NZers. It's the other two that have introduced the oddities.
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Who do we trust next election between National and Labour on:
Inflation: National
Economy: National
Keeping govt debt under control: National
Crime: National
Education: National
Infrastructure: National
Identity issue: Labour
Not much more to say really
Inflation: National
Economy: National
Keeping govt debt under control: National
Crime: National
Education: National
Infrastructure: National
Identity issue: Labour
Not much more to say really
True, they are performing very poorly in what should be an ideal environment for them. Labour seem just as bad and to me it appears to be a level of competence or indeed lack of across the board. Don't think we've had a decent bunch of politicians since Helen's second term and Key's second also. As said, I wouldn't expect Luxon nor Hipkins to be around in Oct next year.
Biggest problem as I see it is the lack of reform, nobody seems to have the cojones to go for the big ticket items that need fixing although the NCEA stuff is a start. We seem to get bogged down on stuff like school lunches and RUC's etc and too much grandiosing from those in power. MMP also has a lot answer for IMO regarding the calibre of people being selected.
Abso fuckin lotely
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I feel the same way about John Campbell. Loved him growing up, now it just seems to be ideological 24/7
Bad news Frank. It's not him, it's you.
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