Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[wizard of Tauranga]

How do we stop?

Easy mate. National is fixing health, crime, education and the economy and then no one will need to blame anyone anymore

 

[marv.]

How do we stop?

guy fawkes had the right idea.

 

[miket12]

What I’ve noticed is our friend @wizard of Tauranga whenever he “whitewashes” any “issue” arising in the Government (post 18023 above an example) can’t help himself but reference a potential future coalition government as being worse.

I guess he has learnt from Luxon who 18 months after having control still blames the previous Govt for everything negative that occurs.

Unfortunately, it’s what every political studies student learns their first day at their Politics 101 course whether they’re from the left or centre or right…. blame the previous Government for what’s gone wrong (even if it’s your parties fault) and accept everything that’s good because of your policies (even if it’s actually the previous Government’s actions/policies which caused the good outcome).

Remember when Key’s government blamed everything on Clark and Cullen, the GFC and the Christchurch earthquake. Ardern spent her first term blaming National, then 2 & 1/2 years blaming COVID and then Chippy spent six months blaming Ardern.

It’s all Politics 101…. always has been and always will be.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Come on, thoughts on the content and facts in that article?

Ok read the article & thought it was a reasonably balanced effort by Vance that considered things from both angles. I’m not sure why the fuss about Wilkinson being involved - government are always utilising unelected independents as advisors for policy. I’m quite close to someone who has been an advisor to Key, Peters, English etc for decades. Wasn’t one of Jacinda’s great failings the fact that she didn’t listen to enough advice?

As far as privatisation goes, well there’s a lot of state owned assets in this country that, due to incredibly poor management, have been a major drain on the NZ tax payer. There’s been a directive from this government for those assets to stand on their own feet & if they can’t then privatisation is an option. That path doesn’t guarantee success (Tranz Rail was as big a basket case in the 90’s as KiwiRail is today), but it often does generate a much better outcome. Obviously some assets are critical to NZ Inc. & should stay as state owned loss leaders that support the greater good. Anyway that’s my 1c worth.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Ok read the article & thought it was a reasonably balanced effort by Vance that considered things from both angles. I’m not sure why the fuss about Wilkinson being involved - government are always utilising unelected independents as advisors for policy. I’m quite close to someone who has been an advisor to Key, Peters, English etc for decades. Wasn’t one of Jacinda’s great failings the fact that she didn’t listen to enough advice?

As far as privatisation goes, well there’s a lot of state owned assets in this country that, due to incredibly poor management, have been a major drain on the NZ tax payer. There’s been a directive from this government for those assets to stand on their own feet & if they can’t then privatisation is an option. That path doesn’t guarantee success (Tranz Rail was as big a basket case in the 90’s as KiwiRail is today), but it often does generate a much better outcome. Obviously some assets are critical to NZ Inc. & should stay as state owned loss leaders that support the greater good. Anyway that’s my 1c worth.

Appreciate the time taken to read it, and the reply.

Wilkinson is part of the neoliberal thinktank the nz initiative, and their only mission is to push and keep nz economically hard right, as they and New Zealand has been for the last 40 years. Asset sales, privatisation, wealth extraction, enriching the already rich and plunder. There's a deep context, and that's my baseline on all of this.

Regarding assets, well, again, look at the last 40 - 50 years. There's been deliberate strategies of running things down, saying it's not working, selling it off on the cheap and then lo and behold private wealth are making huge profits. This has also been borne out time and time again. This also is part of where I come from in all of this.

So yeah, perspective, common ground and it helps outline the distance between some of our viewpoints.

For me there's a strong moral disgust at neoliberalism, but I'm sure you've all worked that out by now.

Here's my thoughts on where centre, left, right fit within a group of posters on here, including me.

The black is where, in old money (20th century common understanding) and in my speak, the centre is. The red is where a group of posters on here seem to speak to, from what I read in the comments. So anything outside that red scale on the left is automatically commie/karl marx to some, when in actual fact it was centre in old money. Labour is still neoliberal, imo that makes them to the right. Also imo National have moved economically far right in the last few decades and ACT are just extreme.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Applies here too


View: https://bsky.app/profile/georgemonbiot.bsky.social/post/3lu2nzpizh22r

 

[MaybeTop8]

Retail crime advisory group costs $500k in three months

The government is defending the amount of money spent on its retail crime advisory group, but Labour says it is a hard sum of money to stomach.

www.rnz.co.nz

 

[Bluecat]

How do we stop?

Guy Faulkes had some ideas.
So did the French in the late 1700s.

Short of prohibiting anyone who has ever been in parliament from ever standing again and making anyone who does want to stand pass a no dickheads test we can't

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Appreciate the time taken to read it, and the reply.

Wilkinson is part of the neoliberal thinktank the nz initiative, and their only mission is to push and keep nz economically hard right, as they and New Zealand has been for the last 40 years. Asset sales, privatisation, wealth extraction, enriching the already rich and plunder. There's a deep context, and that's my baseline on all of this.

Regarding assets, well, again, look at the last 40 - 50 years. There's been deliberate strategies of running things down, saying it's not working, selling it off on the cheap and then lo and behold private wealth are making huge profits. This has also been borne out time and time again. This also is part of where I come from in all of this.

So yeah, perspective, common ground and it helps outline the distance between some of our viewpoints.

For me there's a strong moral disgust at neoliberalism, but I'm sure you've all worked that out by now.

Here's my thoughts on where centre, left, right fit within a group of posters on here, including me.

The black is where, in old money (20th century common understanding) and in my speak, the centre is. The red is where a group of posters on here seem to speak to, from what I read in the comments. So anything outside that red scale on the left is automatically commie/karl marx to some, when in actual fact it was centre in old money. Labour is still neoliberal, imo that makes them to the right. Also imo National have moved economically far right in the last few decades and ACT are just extreme.

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By definition, isn’t the median voter over time representative or centre? Also I’d put National & Labour over the last 30 years much closer together. TPM & the current version of the Greens are no where near centre, they’re way left.

 

[Worried2Death]

Guy Faulkes had some ideas.
So did the French in the late 1700s.

Short of prohibiting anyone who has ever been in parliament from ever standing again and making anyone who does want to stand pass a no dickheads test we can't

When do we start the great reset, my Guy

 

[Rick O’Shay]

When do we start the great reset

As soon as we win a premiership

 

[Worried2Death]

As soon as we win a premiership

This is no longer just a movement, it's a webolution.