I’d prefer for the government to means test the yearly government contribution so people with a certain amount receive a progressively less amount in the contribution.
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Its pretty straight forward. They broke the rules. There hasn't been a case as bad as this for the committee to rule on before.
Regardless of what it was about or what was said, they aren't being held to account for that, they are being held to account for how they behaved.
As for investigating the punishments, they looked at the lowest and the highest examples they could find. The fact that those parameters have been set might hopefully give those who are contemplating breaking the rules a second to pause for thought.
I personally think the punishments are apt and the rules are there for a reason.
Lets apply logic to what has occurred
4 members did the haka and were called before the committee
1 attended, apologized to the house and got no punishment
The other 3 did not attend
So the punishment is for not attending the committee as there was no punishment to the member who did attend.
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And the Act party investigating if jail was an option?
Did the 1 who attended and apologized to the committee cross the floor and approach opposition MPs in doing so? No he didn't. So logically, the 1 was being held to account for a lesser transgression than the 3 who didn't turn up.
Meanwhile in other Act lies and hypocrisy - https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/05/19/t...ndards-bill-submissions-not-read-by-ministry/
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Asked and answered already.
Call me Mr Brownstone - can you quote where you've addressed the Act party investigating jail? Not the select committee, the ACT party overreaching.
And curious, what parameters?
Capital punishment? Lashes? 10 years in the gulag? Please extoll to me the magnitude of this punishment...
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It's in the article you posted for a start - which I summarized in the post you quoted
An ACT spokesperson said the committee had sought advice on possible penalties, including international precedents with explanations of what actions led to those penalties.
“Dr Parmar asked if this could include examples along the full spectrum of responses, from the minimum up to imprisonment. This was an exercise to help the committee to put any proposed penalty in context.”
Privileges chairperson Judith Collins said while it was one of the most punitive outcomes handed down by the committee, “[the breach] is also, of course, the worst instance that we have ever seen”.
Have a read
The many inconsistencies in Te Pāti Māori MPs’ haka suspensions
'The unquestioning acceptance of the intimidatory nature of haka seems out-of-step with the constant claim that the House of Representatives is a place for "robust debate".'<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />
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Even the committee determined that the other entered the floor of the Chamber and disrupted the vote
Thanks, it was paywalled for me
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Fair point. I still wouldn't draw a conclusion that he escaped punishment because he turned up. Certainly might have helped his case taking responsibility for his actions. It appears to me that the three TPM MPs preplanned and instigated the action. Looks to me like MP Peeni Henare joined afterwards in support and didn't approach the opposition parties at all. While this doesn't excuse him it possibly mitigates his punishment somewhat. As you see in various other cases where the main instigators receive a tougher punishment than others involved.Have a read
The many inconsistencies in Te Pāti Māori MPs’ haka suspensions
'The unquestioning acceptance of the intimidatory nature of haka seems out-of-step with the constant claim that the House of Representatives is a place for "robust debate".'<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />thespinoff.co.nz
Even the committee determined that the other entered the floor of the Chamber and disrupted the vote
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Wait, so you didn't even read the article you posted?
Have a read
The many inconsistencies in Te Pāti Māori MPs’ haka suspensions
'The unquestioning acceptance of the intimidatory nature of haka seems out-of-step with the constant claim that the House of Representatives is a place for "robust debate".'<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />thespinoff.co.nz
Even the committee determined that the other entered the floor of the Chamber and disrupted the vote
Stopped reading after this nonsense..
Saying there is “no question” that having a haka performed in front of you could be “intimidatory” seems a bit out of touch with contemporary New Zealand understandings. You might think that some serious engagement with tikanga – the meaning and purpose of haka as a performative mode of communication – is required before reaching such a conclusion.
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Dammit, I was hoping we'd get some more tax relief
And a glass of scotch. I can sympathise.After the way his day started its probably a fag and a grumpy pill.
Gout was probably giving him hell too
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The thing that really gets me is that if TPM have such a disdain for parliament (and I guess this goes back to the sovereignty issue) and it's rules and conventions. Why are they there?
Are they there to promote serious policy to assist māori as in how government works and what's best for their people or are they just a bunch of disruptors. Do they not understand Tikanga and the protocol involved. I'm sure my indoctrination by my wife before any visit to her marae ensures I'm well aware of what I can and can't do or say. Same but worse for her. If I broke the rules I would be pointed out and asked not to return. Fact, I've seen it in action.
I'm reminded of what Sinn Fein did in the UK where they won seats every year in the House but never turned up in protest. That was a statement. I would have though DNP would have got the lesson from her Irish whakapapa.
TPM, can't even understand the standing orders for question time and have to be assisted by the Greens of all people. They do not represent all māori and are a bunch of charlatans and clowns who do no real service to their people.
Are they there to promote serious policy to assist māori as in how government works and what's best for their people or are they just a bunch of disruptors. Do they not understand Tikanga and the protocol involved. I'm sure my indoctrination by my wife before any visit to her marae ensures I'm well aware of what I can and can't do or say. Same but worse for her. If I broke the rules I would be pointed out and asked not to return. Fact, I've seen it in action.
I'm reminded of what Sinn Fein did in the UK where they won seats every year in the House but never turned up in protest. That was a statement. I would have though DNP would have got the lesson from her Irish whakapapa.
TPM, can't even understand the standing orders for question time and have to be assisted by the Greens of all people. They do not represent all māori and are a bunch of charlatans and clowns who do no real service to their people.
Oh the pearl clutching!!! If Frank were here he'd be calling out "limp wristed!!!"
We're witnessing a disproportionate punishment in the context of a racist far right bill introduced by a racist far right party, supported by a right party (National) that isn't too far off Act.
You lot really need to speak to others outside your echo chambers
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