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[Rick O’Shay]

Oh the pearl clutching!!! If Frank were here he'd be calling out "limp wristed!!!"

We're witnessing a disproportionate punishment in the context of a racist far right bill introduced by a racist far right party, supported by a right party (National) that isn't too far off Act.

You lot really need to speak to others outside your echo chambers

Jesus wept, what part of following the rules do you not understand. Rules/consequences. There is no context. Parliament, just because you don't like a bill gives you no right to disrupt the business of the house outside of the rules.
Disproportionate? In this day and age, you make the gun signal to someone on the street and pull the trigger, you're liable to end up in the pokey for hate speech (In the UK anyway) These clowns need to get a life and either start doing something for māori or GTFO as at the moment it's a disservice

And in case you have forgotten, there is no punishment at the moment as the matter has been deferred, so it's all moot. Chris Bishop proposed to give TPM an opportunity to participate in the budget debate which I find perplexing seeing they couldn't be bothered turning up to the house for it last year. Go figure. Life without parole.

Sorry, one more edit. I'm actually speaking to you, not the others in my "echo chamber"

 

[Inruin]

Oh the pearl clutching!!! If Frank were here he'd be calling out "limp wristed!!!"

We're witnessing a disproportionate punishment in the context of a racist far right bill introduced by a racist far right party, supported by a right party (National) that isn't too far off Act.

You lot really need to speak to others outside your echo chambers

Yeah, it's not like he made some claim based on a headline of an article that wasn't read or something.

The punishment looks appropriate to me, all things considered.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Jesus wept, what part of following the rules do you not understand. Rules/consequences. There is no context. Parliament, just because you don't like a bill gives you no right to disrupt the business of the house outside of the rules.
Disproportionate? In this day and age, you make the gun signal to someone on the street and pull the trigger, you're liable to end up in the pokey for hate speech (In the UK anyway) These clowns need to get a life and either start doing something for māori or GTFO as at the moment it's a disservice

And in case you have forgotten, there is no punishment at the moment as the matter has been deferred, so it's all moot. Chris Bishop proposed to give TPM an opportunity to participate in the budget debate which I find perplexing seeing they couldn't be bothered turning up to the house for it last year. Go figure. Life without parole.

Sorry, one more edit. I'm actually speaking to you, not the others in my "echo chamber"

Serious question Rick (not really but hey) what is the conversation like at your dinner table?

What would happen if one of your kids turned out to be me?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Yeah, it's not like he made some claim based on a headline of an article that wasn't read or something.

The punishment looks appropriate to me, all things considered.

Well, given your voting proclivities, it would look appropriate I guess.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Oh the pearl clutching!!! If Frank were here he'd be calling out "limp wristed!!!"

We're witnessing a disproportionate punishment in the context of a racist far right bill introduced by a racist far right party, supported by a right party (National) that isn't too far off Act.

You lot really need to speak to others outside your echo chambers

Im calling you limp wristed for thinking what ever slap on the hand those MPs got was "disproportionate punishment"

 

[Inruin]

Well, given your voting proclivities, it would look appropriate I guess.

I'm centrist much like you

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

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This will be interesting in the employment court. You lick trumps arsehole is probably where his employer has taken issue?

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Serious question Rick (not really but hey) what is the conversation like at your dinner table?

What would happen if one of your kids turned out to be me?

Funny you say that. My wife is Ngati Porou and I'm a Celt so the dinner table and the offspring's input was always decletic and interesting.
Several of my children were like you, as I guess we all were back in the day. Wanting to save the world and throw the despots to the wolves. Unfortunately, reality kicks in, even if it takes a number of years.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Funny you say that. My wife is Ngati Porou and I'm a Celt so the dinner table and the offspring's input was always decletic and interesting.
Several of my children were like you, as I guess we all were back in the day. Wanting to save the world and throw the despots to the wolves. Unfortunately, reality kicks in, even if it takes a number of years.

I have plenty of years now sadly you'd think I would learn my lesson at some point......

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

NZ has scrapped the proposed 3% tax on digital services in New Zealand after Trump described it as “overseas extortion”.

I regard the Greens wealth tax as a worse case of extortion!

 

[Rick O’Shay]

I have plenty of years now sadly you'd think I would learn my lesson at some point......

I'll bet Winston's left bollock that all the right leaning bloc on here feel some form of Social responsibility. How it's applied and what with is probably the difference between us all.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

This will be interesting in the employment court. You lick trumps arsehole is probably where his employer has taken issue?

What a clown, I'll bet he had a T&T branded jacket on.

Bringing the game into disrepute, 6 months off.

 

[Noitall]

What a clown, I'll bet he had a T&T branded jacket on.

Bringing the game into disrepute, 6 months off.

Would be interesting to know where this falls for act? Who are the champions of freedom of speech

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Would be interesting to know where this falls for act? Who are the champions of freedom of speech

I don’t agree with people’s personal views affecting their employment (unless you hold a public profile). I don’t believe in cancelling people.

The guys a plonker but nobody really cares about his employment do they?

 

[Noitall]

I don’t agree with people’s personal views affecting their employment (unless you hold a public profile). I don’t believe in cancelling people.

The guys a plonker – nobody really cares about his employment capacity do they?

No I wouldn’t have thought so either. Would be interesting to hear why they’ve come to the decision they have, whether prompted by anyone? With it so hard to get rid of staff these days, seems like it would end up in employment court

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I don’t agree with people’s personal views affecting their employment (unless you hold a public profile). I don’t believe in cancelling people.

The guys a plonker but nobody really cares about his employment do they?

His employers apparently do. DEI champions with govt contracts.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Fair point. I still wouldn't draw a conclusion that he escaped punishment because he turned up. Certainly might have helped his case taking responsibility for his actions. It appears to me that the three TPM MPs preplanned and instigated the action. Looks to me like MP Peeni Henare joined afterwards in support and didn't approach the opposition parties at all. While this doesn't excuse him it possibly mitigates his punishment somewhat. As you see in various other cases where the main instigators receive a tougher punishment than others involved.

The main factor people are forgetting is the punishment was delivered by their peers in parliament who understand more than us parliaments workings.

TPM have shown contempt for the committee, not showing up, politicising it, using it as a social media opportunity, releasing the draft verdict before it’s announced, etc.

Regardless of the crime, they deserve the book thrown at them and the harshest available punishment for the crime.

Honestly, the punishment is just another meaningless PR opportunity for them and they will continue to treat parliament with contempt.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

His employers apparently do. DEI champions with govt contracts.

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Was he in a company uniform? At a work event? Representing the company at a client?

Nah… just a citizen on his way to work reacting in his personal capacity..

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Was he in a company uniform? At a work event? Representing the company at a client?

Nah… just a citizen on his way to work.

No idea and it should have no bearing. But thats not how the left operates.

 

[Noitall]

No idea and it should have no bearing. But thats not how the left operates.

Think protest is born out of left wing politics rather than right wing




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