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[MrFrankWhite]

You won't see us sitting on the couch watching The View and not participating in the workforce when men get wombs and give birth mate, if you want something done properly do it yourself.

Never met a SAHD who said it was harder than the 9-5..

 

[Worried2Death]

Never met a SAHD who said it was harder than the 9-5..

Now you mention it, neither have I, wish I'd been one more

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Never met a SAHD who said it was harder than the 9-5..

Sometimes weekend we’re harder than being at work

There’s a reason for workaholics and mancaves

 

[Rick O’Shay]

Gotta have those taxpayer funded bariatric surgeries.

Very true, obesity and COPD seem to take up a great amount of the system.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

You won't see us sitting on the couch watching The View and not participating in the workforce when men get wombs and give birth mate, if you want something done properly do it yourself.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

You really should move to America and help them resurrect their manufacturing base.

Doesn’t cut it.

Explain WHY the govt is entitled to tax paid wealth/ inheritance of individuals?

I accept tax is paid as economic activity is generated to pay for the roads, schools, infrastructure, etc that has allowed us to earn the income. That’s the social contract.

Taking wealth or inheritance has no justification based on the ‘why’ except easy, unearned (based on the social contract) money.

That’s how the mafia operate… explain the difference.

 

[Inruin]

With this pay equity piece, are female Librarians, for example, saying they aren't being paid the same as male librarians or are they saying that as its a female orientated job (I'm assuming it is) that they have been unfairly held down wage wise and should be getting similar to a male dominated role like a fisheries officer, despite the two being distinctly different jobs? Or both?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

With this pay equity piece, are female Librarians, for example, saying they aren't being paid the same as male librarians or are they saying that as its a female orientated job (I'm assuming it is) that they have been unfairly held down wage wise and should be getting similar to a male dominated role like a fisheries officer, despite the two being distinctly different jobs? Or both?

The latter. But luckily for us mere mortals, the grievance peddlers themselves have created a handy little "comparator" matrix that justifies this "redistribution" of wages.

I'm just confused as to why they don't open their own private libraries and pay librarians this comparative wage?

(not going off on librarians obv, but the bureaucrats)

 

[Rick O’Shay]

With this pay equity piece, are female Librarians, for example, saying they aren't being paid the same as male librarians or are they saying that as its a female orientated job (I'm assuming it is) that they have been unfairly held down wage wise and should be getting similar to a male dominated role like a fisheries officer, despite the two being distinctly different jobs? Or both?

In the case of librarians, I don't think it matters whether they are male or female. The disparity isn't there. They are asserting their role is similar or as important as a fisheries officer and should be recompensed as such. Almost as looney as the Greens new budget.
Also, the claims being brought to the tribunal were all public sector and union backed. This is why the cost could be billions to the taxpayer.
Nothing to see here for private employers other than having to compete

 

[Inruin]

The latter. But luckily for us mere mortals, the grievance peddlers themselves have created a handy little "comparator" matrix that justifies this "redistribution" of wages.

I'm just confused as to why they don't open their own private libraries and pay librarians this comparative wage?

(not going off on librarians obv, but the bureaucrats)

In the case of librarians, I don't think it matters whether they are male or female. The disparity isn't there. They are asserting their role is similar or as important as a fisheries officer and should be recompensed as such. Almost as looney as the Greens new budget.
Also, the claims being brought to the tribunal were all public sector and union backed. This is why the cost could be billions to the taxpayer.
Nothing to see here for private employers other than having to compete

So these claims were going to be backdated if accepted?

I'm not sure I am getting the argument here.

For arguments sack, lets assume Librarians get their claim ratified that they should be on the same as fisheries officers. What is the flow on effect from there for other professions. ie: Do Teachers then say 'well, our job is more involved than Librarians, we are qualified and have more responsibility, so comparatively we need a pay rise to make our roles more equitable'?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I don’t really get the pay equity debate. Doesn’t it all come down to demand supply? If your skill set is in short supply relative to demand then your pay reflects it. Interestingly there’s industries now where females are earning
pay premiums because of their lower representation in the workforce & demand from clients/customers for there to be more of them employed. I think it all works itself out given time.

 

[juju]

You guys should try reading a bit more broadly on the topic rather than the circle jerk of middle aged dudes agreeing with one another that this thread becomes.

Its controversial because

1. National supported the Equal Pay Amendment Act in 2020
2. The changes have been rushed through under urgency in an underhanded way
3. The government have actively prioritised landlords and cigarette companies etc in budgets & are now rolling out these changes that hurt a sector of society struggling to make ends meet, to make a budget balance (Willis denies this, Seymour says it is the case)
4. MPs have just had a pay rise announced.

The optics are terrible

 

[MrFrankWhite]

You guys should try reading a bit more broadly on the topic rather than the circle jerk of middle aged dudes agreeing with one another that this thread becomes.

Its controversial because

1. National supported the Equal Pay Amendment Act in 2020
2. The changes have been rushed through under urgency in an underhanded way
3. The government have actively prioritised landlords and cigarette companies etc in budgets & are now rolling out these changes that hurt a sector of society struggling to make ends meet, to make a budget balance (Willis denies this, Seymour says it is the case)
4. MPs have just had a pay rise announced.

The optics are terrible

None of those things have any relation to what we are talking about.

 

[juju]

None of those things have any relation to what we are talking about.

Yeah seems you guys are fixated with one small part of the wider topic that culture war numpties fixate on.

 

[MaybeTop8]

None of those things have any relation to what we are talking about.

Yes everything does.