Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[wizard of Tauranga]

The Chinese are getting pretty bloody strongly dissatisfied at the Aussies for hyping this up, and at all the Kiwis making a song and dance about it. It's all just a storm in a tea cup, my fellow mates.

‘Deliberately hyped’: China hits back at Australia's reaction to live-fire naval drills

Commercial flights had to change course after a live-fire warning.

www.nzherald.co.nz

@MrFrankWhite:

1 - is it common for navies to do exercises around the world?
2 - is it common in our area of the pacific?
3 - is it ok being in international waters?
4 - is this provocative and to send a message?
5 - should I be building a nuclear fallout shelter?

 

[Worried2Death]

So your position in that Navies should only conduct live fire drills in their own territorial waters?

No, it could just be a big misunderstanding for all I know

 

[MrFrankWhite]

@MrFrankWhite:

1 - is it common for navies to do exercises around the world?
2 - is it common in our area of the pacific?
3 - is it ok being in international waters?
4 - is this provocative and to send a message?

1. Yes but normally joint. No one outside of the US has the balls to do live fire off the coast of China / Russia
2. Not for China
3. Yes
4. Yes

 

[Worried2Death]

1. Yes but normally joint. No one outside of the US has the balls to do live fire off the coast of China / Russia
2. Not for China
3. Yes
4. Yes

What's the message sarge

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

1. Yes but normally joint. No one outside of the US has the balls to do live fire off the coast of China / Russia
2. Not for China
3. Yes
4. Yes

Can we expel their diplomats and stop sending them our milk powder to starve them into some sense?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Here the thing Westerners forget. We do far, far more provocative shit.

RIMPAC is a joint multinational live fire drill held in Hawaii. Basically a global invasion force designed to counter a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. Australia has been spying on their Navy for years.

Now what sort of plane is the Posiedon P8? How close was it to Chinese territorial waters? And what's the chances it was dropping sonar buoys in Chinese waters to spy on their submarines?

Video emerges appearing to show 'dangerous' Chinese intercept of 'enemy' Australian aircraft

The 2022 incident involved a People's Liberation Army aircraft firing flares near the RAAF plane, before cutting in front of it and releasing "chaff" into its flight path.

www.abc.net.au

 

[MrFrankWhite]

What's the message sarge

Stop spying in Chinese territorial waters

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The People's Liberation Army has released video of a 2022 incident that appears to show a Chinese J-16 fighter intercepting an "enemy" Australian P-8 Poseidon surveillance aircraft while it was conducting a routine patrol in international airspace.

If your long range spy plane gets intercepted by a short range stealth fighter, trying to spin it as "international airspace" is brave

 

[Worried2Death]

Stop spying in Chinese territorial waters

We kinda have to though don’t we, since we're in Five Eyes. We can't leave that, you can't have an intelligence agency called Four Eyes.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

We kinda have to though don’t we, since we're in Five Eyes. We can't leave that, you can't have an intelligence agency called Four Eyes.

Of course, I just wish we were better at it.

 

[Worried2Death]

Nothing to see here then. Or is there?

 

[Po11um]

New Zealand defense forces would last 2 days against a Chinese attack. NZ need to pull its weight & increase spending on defense.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

New Zealand defense forces would last 2 days against a Chinese attack. NZ need to pull its weight & increase spending on defense.

NZ would get rolled up by a combined Pacific Island force let alone China

 

[Noitall]

New Zealand defense forces would last 2 days against a Chinese attack. NZ need to pull its weight & increase spending on defense.

Thing is how is this going to be achieved? There’s been slashing across the board and still there’s a lot of challenges ahead. Only way I see is borrow? One way or another it’s going to us paying for it

 

[Worried2Death]

And what's the chances it was dropping sonar buoys in Chinese waters to spy on their submarines?

I presume we have those sonar buoys around our own coastline so we'd know if we were ever encircled by enemy subs... right sarge?

 

[Worried2Death]

RIGHT SARGE???????

 

[Inruin]

I presume we have those sonar buoys around our own coastline so we'd know if we were ever encircled by enemy subs... right sarge?

First of all, are we that important that some sort of enemy that had submarine capability would waste their time encircling us and secondly what realistically could we do about it if they did, apart from make some indignant noise through our diplomats?

 

[Worried2Death]

First of all, are we that important that some sort of enemy that had submarine capability would waste their time encircling us and secondly what realistically could we do about it if they did, apart from make some indignant noise through our diplomats?

Couldn't do much about it by the sound of it, especially if they're landing ground troops. Wonder if Trump would defend Australia if they were invaded, they're still his second closest ally after Putin.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

New Zealand defense forces would last 2 days against a Chinese attack. NZ need to pull its weight & increase spending on defense.

I propose we double the defence budget…

So we can last 4 days

 

[Inruin]

I propose we double the defence budget…

So we can last 4 days

Luxon requested it but all we ended up with was ill tempered sea bass


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