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The thread centers on New Zealand's upcoming election, primarily debating the economic management and policy differences between the center-left Labour government and center-right National/ACT opposition. Key criticisms target Labour's fiscal stewardship, citing ballooning government expenditure #7#272, housing unaffordability, and unfulfilled promises like KiwiBuild and dental care expansion #16#12. A user #7 highlighted Labour's annual 9% spending growth versus 1.5% under previous governments, arguing this fueled inflation. National's tax-cut policy faced scrutiny over funding gaps and legality, with user #215 questioning Luxon's reliance on "trust me" assurances.
Leadership competence emerged as a critical theme, particularly in later posts. Luxon drew heavy criticism after a contentious interview where he struggled to defend policy details #194#199#211, while Willis faced backlash for her economic credentials. Hipkins garnered fleeting praise for articulation but was ultimately seen as representing poor governmental outcomes #45#119. A trusted user #308 presented expert economic analysis contradicting Treasury optimism. Infrastructure issues—like Wellington's water crisis and the dental school staffing shortage—were cited as examples of systemic mismanagement #235#12. Notable policy debates included road-user charges for EVs #220, immigration impacts on rents #299, and coalition scenarios involving NZ First #182#258. Early fringe discussions on candidates' rugby allegiances gave way to substantive policy critiques, culminating in grim Treasury forecasts discussed in posts #271#304#308. User #168 also revealed concerns about Labour rushing regulatory changes to entrench policies pre-election.

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Economic Policies, Housing Crisis, Leadership Competence

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I’m not a winston fan, but he is a politician like no other. Such an amazing speaker
That's the beauty of Winston. He fucking 79 and he's up there without a teleprompter, just eviscerating his opposition with pure wit. Hipkins, Chloe, TPM all got a serve. That's what they took from us, politicians that you could respect regardless of the side of the aisles.
 
That's the beauty of Winston. He fucking 79 and he's up there without a teleprompter, just eviscerating his opposition with pure wit. Hipkins, Chloe, TPM all got a serve. That's what they took from us, politicians that you could respect regardless of the side of the aisles.


View: https://www.facebook.com/NZYoungNats/videos/winston-in-meltdown-mode/776377379576233/

What I liked about Swarbrick’s tirade was it was backed up by stats, whereas here I didn’t hear much more than a threat for 2025? Hopefully he’s got something to offer. I used to enjoy stuff like this too in this footage of him a few years ago, but it wore off. I’ve got no respect for his type of politician. He’s a lawyer by trade and it comes across in the way he conducts himself
 

Not NZ politics, but not a fan of how this guy is buying his way into politics around the world. Was talk of being in trumps government after donating plenty. Now talking of supplying Nigel Farrage with $100 million for his campaign and now this on Germany
 

View: https://www.facebook.com/NZYoungNats/videos/winston-in-meltdown-mode/776377379576233/

What I liked about Swarbrick’s tirade was it was backed up by stats, whereas here I didn’t hear much more than a threat for 2025? Hopefully he’s got something to offer. I used to enjoy stuff like this too in this footage of him a few years ago, but it wore off. I’ve got no respect for his type of politician. He’s a lawyer by trade and it comes across in the way he conducts himself

as opposed to this type of high level thinker?

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Not NZ politics, but not a fan of how this guy is buying his way into politics around the world. Was talk of being in trumps government after donating plenty. Now talking of supplying Nigel Farrage with $100 million for his campaign and now this on Germany
Musk is an amazing entrepreneur

But any in other realm (politics, marriage, fatherhood) he is just another bum with a big mouth
 

Not NZ politics, but not a fan of how this guy is buying his way into politics around the world. Was talk of being in trumps government after donating plenty. Now talking of supplying Nigel Farrage with $100 million for his campaign and now this on Germany
Scholz is a complete and utter imbecile who has continued Angela Merkel's destruction of Germany
 

Not NZ politics, but not a fan of how this guy is buying his way into politics around the world. Was talk of being in trumps government after donating plenty. Now talking of supplying Nigel Farrage with $100 million for his campaign and now this on Germany
Fair enough, but unfortunately politics have put themselves in this position globally by allowing it.

As if the left hasn’t taken donors money, soros, Hoffman, Bloomberg, to name a few.

There’s always ulterior motives, and geopolitical narratives being pushed through by donations, on both sides.

I think it’s only fair by discussing musk, you must address both sides role to play.
 
Fair enough, but unfortunately politics have put themselves in this position globally by allowing it.

As if the left hasn’t taken donors money, soros, Hoffman, Bloomberg, to name a few.

There’s always ulterior motives, and geopolitical narratives being pushed through by donations, on both sides.

I think it’s only fair by discussing musk, you must address both sides role to play.
Absolutely. Politics in general is the problem and it’s divisive format I’ve said before and continue to believe
 
as opposed to this type of high level thinker?

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I’ve come to a couple of realisations:

The only way forward for NZ is a Labour government run by strong intellectuals. Clarke and Cullen is THE example.

National can never run the country at a surplus as they will be ripped apart for underfunding x,y,z and being nasty. See Keys last year. Finally achieved a surplus and voted out for underfunding health. Even now with a huge deficit they are being mean for not funding everything and anything. I don’t see how National can ever get us out of the crap without becoming too unpopular to the simplistic public.

Labour don’t have intellectuals. They are currently tied in knots with too many lobby groups (unions, minorities, etc). Full of people with little real world experience.

I don’t even know if a Clarke can rise to the top anymore. We want populist people with more PR skills than substance.

Ultimately economic theory is everything and only a few worldwide figures have the intellect to comprehend the ramifications of major changes. I feel change will happen overseas and we will follow suit. Any party here that says they will be transformational without highly intellectual individuals, will ultimately stuff things up they don’t understand (example: the Ardern/ Robertson govt).
 
I’ve come to a couple of realisations:

The only way forward for NZ is a Labour government run by strong intellectuals. Clarke and Cullen is THE example.

National can never run the country at a surplus as they will be ripped apart for underfunding x,y,z and being nasty. See Keys last year. Finally achieved a surplus and voted out for underfunding health. Even now with a huge deficit they are being mean for not funding everything and anything. I don’t see how National can ever get us out of the crap without becoming too unpopular to the simplistic public.

Labour don’t have intellectuals. They are currently tied in knots with too many lobby groups (unions, minorities, etc). Full of people with little real world experience.

I don’t even know if a Clarke can rise to the top anymore. We want populist people with more PR skills than substance.

Ultimately economic theory is everything and only a few worldwide figures have the intellect to comprehend the ramifications of major changes. I feel change will happen overseas and we will follow suit. Any party here that says they will be transformational without highly intellectual individuals, will ultimately stuff things up they don’t understand (example: the Ardern/ Robertson govt).
We don't want to be run by intellectuals. There is more dead wood there than most groups.
Business people with real life experience and leadership is what we need, without being ideologically driven.
Anyway, eventually the shit will hit the fan here standard of living wise and those that think they are struggling now will be be pining for the good old days.
 
Ultimately economic theory is everything and only a few worldwide figures have the intellect to comprehend the ramifications of major changes. I feel change will happen overseas and we will follow suit. Any party here that says they will be transformational without highly intellectual individuals, will ultimately stuff things up they don’t understand (example: the Ardern/ Robertson govt).
USA will be the yardstick. If Trump does okay and gets support that will be the new blueprint for the West. Musk will be sought out the world over as he is the intellect you talk about.
 
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