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[Tragic]

Maybe I'm completely blind or not keeping up with the news, but I've been pretty happy with Luxon. None of the alternatives offer anything remotely palatable, so he gets the win by default!

You only have to cast your mind back two years to remember the absolute clusterf*ck that was Labour. The Justice Minister getting arrested FFS. Grant dusting $55b. 3 Waters entrenchment. Golriz getting 5-finger discounts. Covid lotteries for hotels.

The reality is the economy is in such a state because it was strangled too hard by Orr, and it is taking a while to bring it back to life, not helped by Grant

I'm not expecing Luxon to be some sort of Midas. Sometimes you need a leader who is just going to make incremental improvements everyday, however unglamourous they might be. We all know where glamourous got us

You can blame the last government for a lot of things but the current economic problems have been caused in a lot of ways by the current coalition. Stopping infrastructure projects, public spending etc.
I would argue some of it was needed given the size of government but it could have been done differently if you wanted less impact on the economy.

Labor were propping up the economy with spending. Some needed for covid, a little good investment, much wasteful.

We should be able to have a conversation and support a government to spend better even if it has a negative impact on some areas of the economy. Too many people think economy good = government good. Sometimes you have to take your medicine.

 

[defensivebomb]

You can blame the last government for a lot of things but the current economic problems have been caused in a lot of ways by the current coalition. Stopping infrastructure projects, public spending etc.
I would argue some of it was needed given the size of government but it could have been done differently if you wanted less impact on the economy.

Labor were propping up the economy with spending. Some needed for covid, a little good investment, much wasteful.

We should be able to have a conversation and support a government to spend better even if it has a negative impact on some areas of the economy. Too many people think economy good = government good. Sometimes you have to take your medicine.

I think your take is probably the most balanced, and most accurate, I’ve seen for a while

 

[Rick O’Shay]

I think your take is probably the most balanced, and most accurate, I’ve seen for a while

Agree, very unusual for a politics thread

 

[Rick O’Shay]

I see Benny Doyle has resigned from Parliament. Jumped or pushed?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I see Benny Doyle has resigned from Parliament. Jumped or pushed?

Another Green MP that was ill suited to parliament.

And I don’t necessarily mean his world view but the resilience and strength of personality that being a MP in the public eye requires in todays world.

 

[Rick O’Shay]

I see Benny Doyle has resigned from Parliament. Jumped or pushed?

I'm thinking there might have been more to hit the fan shortly

 

[juju]

I'm thinking there might have been more to hit the fan shortly

a Friday 4pm press release does mean they're trying to bury the news.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I'm thinking there might have been more to hit the fan shortly

But until then he’ll play the victim card. Weak.

 

[MaybeTop8]

But until then he’ll play the victim card. Weak.

How about waiting for some facts. I know it's hard for you lot.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

How about waiting for some facts. I know it's hard for you lot.

Well now he’s jumped, more controversy may never come out becomes he’s a nobody now.

We’ve also speculated this week on Luxon getting dumped so we’re equal opportunity gossipers.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Well now he’s jumped the facts may never come out becomes he’s a nobody now.

We’ve also speculated this week on Luxon getting dumped so we’re equal opportunity gossipers.

I couldn’t care less if they/them’s done anything else, just a weak individual who was never going to add any value… unlike all the other high achievers in parliament haha

 

[Noitall]

Well now he’s jumped, more controversy may never come out becomes he’s a nobody now.

We’ve also speculated this week on Luxon getting dumped so we’re equal opportunity gossipers.

Was only a week or two back that people were rubbishing the possibility of Luxon being rolled when an article came out about Willis giving a speech when typically it would come from the pm and her acting naive to the allegations that she’s gunning for his job

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Was only a week or two back that people were rubbishing the possibility of Luxon being rolled when an article came out about Willis giving a speech when typically it would come from the pm and her acting naive to the allegations that she’s gunning for his job

I think there’s a decent chance she also gets rolled

 

[Noitall]

I think there’s a decent chance she also gets rolled

Doesn’t mean she’s not one with her hat in the ring. Her demotion would come from a new leaders reshuffle, and politics is cutthroat that some assurances might need to be given to her to give someone a vote they require to take out Luxon?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

How about waiting for some facts. I know it's hard for you lot.

Is this like the Gol shoplifting saga - Wait for the facts!

How many MP’s have the Greens churned through this term? I’ve lost count. Wasn’t Doyle already a replacement for another failed mp?

The Greens are becoming the Chloe party (to go with the Winston and Seymour parties).

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Is this like the Gol shoplifting saga - Wait for the facts!

How many MP’s have the Greens churned through this term? I’ve lost count. Wasn’t Doyle already a replacement for another failed mp?

The Greens are becoming the Chloe party (to go with the Winston and Seymour parties).

The Greens are a bunch of misfit wannabe anarchists. The party for losers and people stupid enough to think the environment is still their primary reason for existence.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

The Greens are a bunch of misfit wannabe anarchists. The party for losers and people stupid enough to think the environment is still their primary reason for existence.

On a tangent, I was thinking about this the other day:

What’s the difference between those sovereign citizens types and the Māori party activists?

I can’t tell the difference… both see themselves as sovereign and the rules don’t apply to them!

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

On a tangent, I was thinking about this the other day:

What’s the difference between those sovereign citizens types and the Māori party activists?

I can’t tell the difference… both see themselves as sovereign and the rules don’t apply to them!

Yeah was thinking the same thing. māori party are just a bunch of racists with zero respect for the system. Another misleadingly named party because they certainly don’t represent the majority of māori.

 

[defensivebomb]

Is this like the Gol shoplifting saga - Wait for the facts!

How many MP’s have the Greens churned through this term? I’ve lost count. Wasn’t Doyle already a replacement for another failed mp?

The Greens are becoming the Chloe party (to go with the Winston and Seymour parties).

The funny thing is, Doyle will replaced with a guy that came 4th in his electorate. Talk about scraping

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Shane Jones and now Stuart Nash joining NZ First.

Once Winston steps down it will be Labour lite. Good long term prospects for Labour!