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why would mΔori and pasifika students need a designated/safe space? to protect them from who?!
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Probably started 30 years ago for mutual support in study, networking, speaking their languages, sharing unique struggles and problems, dunno if protection has anything to do with it. Was it ever called a "safe space"? That's recent American lingo.
Lol, I should have expected this. These aren't new spaces. Why do you think they might have been needed in past history @marv.?
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A bit tongue in cheek.I hope this was an attempt at humour.
I think having the facilities to help everyone when they need it is important. Making it exclusive is problematic but I accept it may well be the answer sometimes.
You probably know more than me on this, but don't all the Universities have Marae?
There are spaces available to anyone who needs them, there is a health and wellbeing office here at Otago - with various services available to students and staff. The MΔori and Pacifica spaces were introduced years ago.
I don't think there is a Marae on site, but I could be wrong. Just encase Frank sees this and thinks I'm a mediocre academic - I don't actually work for the Uni, we lease office and lab space here.
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being darker skinned than a lot of mΔori myself and growing up suffering more than my share of racism i absolutely understand why they might have been needed in past history, but today isnβt then.
we need to teach people to be strong and proud and encourage growth. we need to stop keeping people hamstrung and encouraging this victim mentality.
also, there is no mention of safe space on the sign. only designated area.
safe space implies that theyβre otherwise unsafe.
mΔori and pasifika peoples as far as iβm aware are not ordinarily attacked, abused or preyed upon in NZ universities.
also my point wasnβt that anybody doesnβt deserve or need a space, my point was that newshub intentionally said the sign they viewed said safe space when it did not.
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Problem is extremists still exist and right now we have examples like destiny church deciding they have the right to go and paint over public painted rainbow coloured pedestrian crossings and the flip side have swastikas painted on the prime ministers office. Always the same that often a minority fuck it up for everyone
marv.
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absolutely!
the country and world currently is a shitshow.
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Why was there segregation in the past? To have your own space so you donβt have to mix and mingle with people you didnβt want to.
Isnβt that the same with these spaces but in reverse?
Havenβt we as a society decided exposing ourselves to different people is beneficial and brings us together. Doesnβt these areas do the opposite?
Who ends up better off - the geek/ fat/ introvert/ trump lover/ African/ etc person that is forced to integrate despite being a target or the ones that are enabled to hide from the world?
Why do we need them in todays age? Doesnβt it do more harm by sheltering those it tryβs to help?
Isnβt that the same with these spaces but in reverse?
Havenβt we as a society decided exposing ourselves to different people is beneficial and brings us together. Doesnβt these areas do the opposite?
Who ends up better off - the geek/ fat/ introvert/ trump lover/ African/ etc person that is forced to integrate despite being a target or the ones that are enabled to hide from the world?
Why do we need them in todays age? Doesnβt it do more harm by sheltering those it tryβs to help?
If you wanted to set up a designated electricians room to meet up and discuss wiring, what's the difference?
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Who says mΔori, Rainbow community, etc need protection and sheltering?
Judging by parliament, they are over represented there indicating they are competent, tough and intelligent people.
Labelling an entire group vulnerable and needing help all the time just lowers the mana of that entire group with the general population and makes those groups seem below average. The lower expectations becomes a self fulfilling prophecyβ¦
Example - doctors need lower grades to get in - who wants to be treated by a mΔori doctor?
I mean the 3 priority areas for the Ministry of Education is mΔori, Pacifica and disabled people. I donβt know why mΔori and Pacific allow themselves to be lowered to this level.
Judging by parliament, they are over represented there indicating they are competent, tough and intelligent people.
Labelling an entire group vulnerable and needing help all the time just lowers the mana of that entire group with the general population and makes those groups seem below average. The lower expectations becomes a self fulfilling prophecyβ¦
Example - doctors need lower grades to get in - who wants to be treated by a mΔori doctor?
I mean the 3 priority areas for the Ministry of Education is mΔori, Pacifica and disabled people. I donβt know why mΔori and Pacific allow themselves to be lowered to this level.
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Weβre marginalised by builders all the time. The jealousy towards sparkyβs from all other trades is real!
There's your answer then, if Pasifika feel the same way let them have a room. But it was never called a "safe space".
Noitall
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Dirty pricks go and put their dirty mits on my freshly painted ceilings when installing lights. Gumbyβs
wizard of Tauranga
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We eat some concrete and give as good as we get.
What happens when a Pacifica sparky meets a builder in the real world?
Should we start up Pacifica sparky safe places on building sites?
The Sparky room isn't race based, so they'd be in there together plotting against the painters.
wizard of Tauranga
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Iβm a hammer the wall to Swiss cheese type of sparky instead of cutting neat holes
Noitall
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Painters will drink and drug them into submission
You're all half cooked on paint fumes already, sparkies don't stand a chance
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