Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[Rizzah]

Do you actually understand WHY the country swung to the right and the anger and divisiveness last year that led to it?

Any changes proposed you attack as a personal insult when it’s what the majority want.

Do you see you’re in the minority; the countries been screwed; we’re all worse off and changes need to happen?

Do you actually understand any of that?

Lol, ACT got 8%. Now they will cripple the country.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Long bow to then contend these are similar to Nazi policy. The race part is to help those ethnic groups who aren't getting a fair shake and to uphold treaty principles, not wipe them out.

Well said Rizzah. Our democracy is being dismantled by right wing authoritarians in front of our eyes and these guys don't care at all.

Looks like Frank and a few others are trying to cancel me. Cancel culture from the right eh?

Race policies - the refuge of the right wing scoundrel. Good to see their true colours showing through though. They're welcome to their own interpretive dance.

Frank - on this politics forum yep, I'm in a minority. You still haven't shown me anywhere where I said this = btw I'm quoting you, just in case you get misled "You are calling for a politician you vehemently disagree with to step aside, despite being democratically elected." Or where I'm calling for censorship.

 

[Rizzah]

Looks like Frank and a few others are trying to cancel me. Cancel culture from the right eh?

Race policies - the refuge of the right wing scoundrel. Good to see their true colours showing through though. They're welcome to their own interpretive dance.

Frank - on this politics forum yep, I'm in a minority. You still haven't shown me anywhere where I said this = btw I'm quoting you, just in case you get misled "You are calling for a politician you vehemently disagree with to step aside, despite being democratically elected." Or where I'm calling for censorship.

Hmmm. I don't think this helps.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Do you actually understand WHY the country swung to the right and the anger and divisiveness last year that led to it?

Any changes proposed you attack as a personal insult when it’s what the majority want.

Do you see you’re in the minority; the countries been screwed; we’re all worse off and changes need to happen?

Do you actually understand any of that?

The far lefts inability to self reflect on how they are pushing moderate voters to the right will be their undoing.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Long bow to then contend these are similar to Nazi policy. The race part is to help those ethnic groups who aren't getting a fair shake and to uphold treaty principles, not wipe them out.

Which is a completely fair comparison and criticism to make. However that doesn’t change the fact they race based policies.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

.Looks like Frank and a few others are trying to cancel me. Cancel culture from the right eh?

Since when have I called for your posts to be removed, or any restrictions on your posting? Me calling your points stupid is not cancel culture bro.

Frank - on this politics forum yep, I'm in a minority. You still haven't shown me anywhere where I said this = btw I'm quoting you, just in case you get misled "You are calling for a politician you vehemently disagree with to step aside, despite being democratically elected." Or where I'm calling for censorship.

Fucking what?

Winston Peters may think he's clever - but he's coming across deeply unhinged here. Fuck conspiratorialists - winston peters needs to step aside

 

[MaybeTop8]

Hmmm. I don't think this helps.

Fair enough.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Which is a completely fair comparison and criticism to make. However that doesn’t change the fact they race based policies.

As are quite a few of the policies made in this country - they affect different races in many ways.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Also a point of note. Me criticising the left doesn’t make me “right”. Just like I have to keep telling the renewable freaks and climate doomers, I have voted Labor all my life.

Not any more though.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Please name the policy, and then you're welcome to your own rabbithole.

As are quite a few of the policies made in this country - they affect different races in many ways.

Are you starting to see how incoherent your logic is?

 

[MaybeTop8]

Also a point of note. Me criticising the left doesn’t make me “right”. Just like I have to keep telling the renewable freaks and climate doomers, I have voted Labor all my life.

Not any more though.

Are you starting to see how incoherent your logic is?

Nope. As for disagreeing with Winston - have a listen to the interview. He's gone full blown conspiratorial. I don't disagree with lies I call it out.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Nope. As for disagreeing with Winston - have a listen to the interview. He's gone full blown conspiratorial. I don't disagree with lies I call it out.

He's pretending to be Trump, or he believes his own hype, or both. We don't need that sort of politics in New Zealand.

 

[Rizzah]

Which is a completely fair comparison and criticism to make. However that doesn’t change the fact they race based policies.

Critiquing a policy simply because it is race based, without understanding the policy itself, is the realm of the unserious - People like Winston.

 

[dean]

The far lefts inability to self reflect on how they are pushing moderate voters to the right will be their undoing.

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Well said Rizzah. Our democracy is being dismantled by right wing authoritarians in front of our eyes and these guys don't care at all.

Looks like Frank and a few others are trying to cancel me. Cancel culture from the right eh?

Race policies - the refuge of the right wing scoundrel. Good to see their true colours showing through though. They're welcome to their own interpretive dance

MBT8, While I agree with little you post, I do enjoy your posts. I haven't seen anyone trying to cancel you and I hope you continue.
Frank White has told us his Dad is African, he is probably darker than most forum members, he has never come across as a racist or right wing.
I'm sure you think I am right wing because I am critical of the previous Govt, particularly their economic management.
I vote for a party that shows some economic nous, like live within your means, spend on things that help everyone, you know what they are. Accordingly, the majority of my voting has been split between National and Labour. I think there are lots of people that are not hard wired to the left or right.

 

[marv.]

Nope. As for disagreeing with Winston - have a listen to the interview. He's gone full blown conspiratorial. I don't disagree with lies I call it out.

winston peters is a fucking cock. that’s plainly obvious.
i admire your passion and your heart, but your hard on for the left leaves you so blindly oblivious to the own goals down your end dude.

but since you’re calling out lies, i’d love to get your take on;

rawiri waititi claiming national and act WANT maori dead 7-10 years early.

Rawiri Waititi: 'National, ACT want to see MÄori die 10 years early'

"Mr Waititi would be better off explaining what he will do for MÄori instead of divisively and dishonestly misrepresenting other partiesâ motivations," David Seymour said in response.

www.1news.co.nz

rawiri waititi doubling down on his claim that maori are genetically superior - “It is a known fact that Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.”

View: https://youtu.be/oCoofCbrgq8

or ginny anderson accusing the police minister of being paid to kill people

Labour’s Ginny Andersen claims Police Minister was ‘paid to kill people’ while working in private security overseas

Labour police spokeswoman Ginny Andersen now says her statement went too far .

www.rnz.co.nz

i think all politicians should be held to the same standards and deserve the same criticisms, don’t you?

 

[Damo]

rawiri waititi claiming national and act WANT maori dead 7-10 years early.

Rawiri Waititi: 'National, ACT want to see MÄori die 10 years early'

"Mr Waititi would be better off explaining what he will do for MÄori instead of divisively and dishonestly misrepresenting other partiesâ motivations," David Seymour said in response.

www.1news.co.nz

rawiri waititi doubling down on his claim that maori are genetically superior - “It is a known fact that Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.”

View: https://youtu.be/oCoofCbrgq8

i think all politicians should be held to the same standards and deserve the same criticisms, don’t you?

Rawiri Waititi is an extremist and will take our people backwards, plenty of Māori do not agree with what he says.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Hahaha I spent weeks trying to pull Wiz’s arguments apart and have consistently mocked Luxon et all for being everything from being potatoes to being nonces.

Anyway a bit of practical politics. National are raising speed limits back 100. Which is funny because despite billions of dollars spent neither Aus nor NZ can reduce the
road toll through enforcement. It’s time to acknowledge driver training is needed.


View: https://x.com/nznationalparty/status/1771359419517051248?s=46&t=N6rrXot3pBpvv2hdvhmStw

 

[marv.]

Rawiri Waititi is an extremist and will take our people backwards, plenty of Māori do not agree with what he says.

he’s the ultimate conman.

he’s young, good looking, personable, and has a somewhat captive audience.
what oppressed people wouldnt look to someone like him to solve the worlds woes.

its a shame because what a wonderful endorsement for NZ and in particular maori someone like him could be on a world stage.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Hahaha I spent weeks trying to pull Wiz’s arguments apart and have consistently mocked Luxon et all for being everything from being potatoes to being nonces.

Anyway a bit of practical politics. National are raising speed limits back 100. Which is funny because despite billions of dollars spent neither Aus nor NZ can reduce the
road toll through enforcement. It’s time to acknowledge driver training is needed.


View: https://x.com/nznationalparty/status/1771359419517051248?s=46&t=N6rrXot3pBpvv2hdvhmStw

Statistically if your not drunk, drugged, on a motor bike, a tourist, and not out after 10pm and have a full license you have almost 0 road toll risk no matter what speed you do.

Focus on speed has been an abject failure because it missed the root causes.

Less speed cameras, more drinking/ drug testing. More road safety features and new high quality highways with a median barrier.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Rawiri Waititi is an extremist and will take our people backwards, plenty of Māori do not agree with what he says.

Waititi, Seymour, Peters and to an extent even Chloe are great politicians because they talk to their audience and their voters, which is not the centre.

Labour was so successful because for every new policy, the right opposed them as ‘to far’ and the Greens and Maori opposed it as ‘not going far enough’ making Labour appear central and getting it just right.

National is just doing the same, NZ First and Act are playing the extremist to counter the lefts argument and make National appear the middle guys.

All just politics.