Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[MaybeTop8]

Someone with mana, principles and dignity - Sir Collin Tukuitonga - he speaks about the damage done to New Zealand's reputation and health system based on the changes favouring big tobacco being implemented shortly after 28 mins in the interview.

He resigned from his advisory roles citing no confidence in this government. https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/prog...playing-favourites-with-sir-collin-tukuitonga

 

[sup42]

Act’s popularity spiking in the Taxpayers Union - Curia poll taken during the Waitangi period, Greens in free fall post Golriz. Interesting momentum building in NZ right now.

The problem with polling is that only those with strong political self interest in this country participate.

Whether your right wing doing quite nicely with spare time on their hands, or far left politically driven animal, basically polls in NZ only engage interest and participation with people who have money.

This is a country that is renowned for its general political inertia and lack of interest.

As the have nots in NZ grow, the likelihood of polling reflecting what happens in election polling shrinks.

I do not see this Govt lasting past this cycle.

Hit me up in three years.

Bottom line the average Kiwi is a politically dumb kient and will vote next cycle based on how hard they found their weekly survival which is why no party in our system will ever dominate.

Polls are porn for those who by definition are disconnected from the masses.

 

[Inruin]

Act’s popularity spiking in the Taxpayers Union - Curia poll taken during the Waitangi period, Greens in free fall post Golriz. Interesting momentum building in NZ right now.

Be interesting to see how the Greens go over the next few years and next election. GGs shoplifting will be a short term hit. Will depend a lot on how Marama and Chloe get along as co leaders. Marama was pretty much left to rule the roost previously. I think they have lost a fair bit with Shaw resigning and probably moving on to new things by then. Can see those voters who moved from Labour last election to the Greens as the alternative left party, moving back to Labour as well.

 

[Noitall]

Be interesting to see how the Greens go over the next few years and next election. GGs shoplifting will be a short term hit. Will depend a lot on how Marama and Chloe get along as co leaders. Marama was pretty much left to rule the roost previously. I think they have lost a fair bit with Shaw resigning and probably moving on to new things by then. Can see those voters who moved from Labour last election to the Greens as the alternative left party, moving back to Labour as well.

Quite possibly, the dynamics do show that Labour/greens have voter’s that go backwards and forwards as national/act do, and to a degree nz first , though mainly older voters as Winston’s base. I’d like to see a complete change in leadership in the Green Party too, think Swarbrick is going to have a big effect and wouldn’t mind someone like Efeso Collins in the co role with her. Thought he had something to offer as a mayoral candidate and think he could do well.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Quite possibly, the dynamics do show that Labour/greens have voter’s that go backwards and forwards as national/act do, and to a degree nz first , though mainly older voters as Winston’s base. I’d like to see a complete change in leadership in the Green Party too, think Swarbrick is going to have a big effect and wouldn’t mind someone like Efeso Collins in the co role with her. Thought he had something to offer as a mayoral candidate and think he could do well.

Collins had rumours swirling about being lazy as a councillor and never attending council meetings.

Might be just rumours but he would need at least a term to prove himself first.

But Chloe and someone else is more electable than Marama.

 

[Inruin]

Quite possibly, the dynamics do show that Labour/greens have voter’s that go backwards and forwards as national/act do, and to a degree nz first , though mainly older voters as Winston’s base. I’d like to see a complete change in leadership in the Green Party too, think Swarbrick is going to have a big effect and wouldn’t mind someone like Efeso Collins in the co role with her. Thought he had something to offer as a mayoral candidate and think he could do well.

They need some balance there and I think it would have been better to have him and Marama. I know a lot think Chloe is going to be a good thing as co leader but I get the feeling that it is just going to cause division in the party and will ultimately result in an election result well below this previous one.

 

[Noitall]

Collins had rumours swirling about being lazy as a councillor and never attending council meetings.

Might be just rumours but he would need at least a term to prove himself first.

But Chloe and someone else is more electable than Marama.

There were the same rumours around that young mayor down south initially but they’ve disappeared since. Makes you wonder how many of these rumours are started by people trying to discredit the persons character. Would be easy to substantiate by his attendance.

 

[Noitall]

They need some balance there and I think it would have been better to have him and Marama. I know a lot think Chloe is going to be a good thing as co leader but I get the feeling that it is just going to cause division in the party and will ultimately result in an election result well below this previous one.

Just my view but I think she’s going to have an effect on their polling, quite an achievement to hold that Auckland central seat in spite of a big turn in the last election. She’s David Seymour’s kryptonite and you can see the discomfort on his face when they have trades. I think she’ll be able to galvanise that party in the way Ardern did with labour.

 

[Possum11]

Shaw is a big loss for the greens & can't see Chloe & marama getting on. I like the greens to concentrate on environmental issues.

 

[sup42]

Shaw is a big loss for the greens & can't see Chloe & marama getting on. I like the greens to concentrate on environmental issues.

I am going to vote green next election and sell that idea to the many in my circle.

I should have backed them a long time ago but got sucked in by the Labor Maori connection.

 

[Inruin]

Just my view but I think she’s going to have an effect on their polling, quite an achievement to hold that Auckland central seat in spite of a big turn in the last election. She’s David Seymour’s kryptonite and you can see the discomfort on his face when they have trades. I think she’ll be able to galvanise that party in the way Ardern did with labour.

Yeah, see that's what I think a lot of people are thinking what is going to happen. Though there are similarities - young, female, etc. she isn't anywhere in the same league as Ardern who was strong at understanding and communicating popular opinion and the right things to say to get people on her side. My view is that Chloe is a popular figure particularly with the younger green audience, but I think she will potentially turn off a number of the party with her approach and with the potentially less considered approach that you had previously with Shaw.

I'm predicting a honey moon period with all the right noises made between Marama and Chloe but ultimately will end up with a poorer election result.

Time will tell.

 

[Inruin]

Shaw is a big loss for the greens & can't see Chloe & marama getting on. I like the greens to concentrate on environmental issues.

Huge loss. Was surprising to see him lose the leadership position previously. I don't think a number of them realise what he bought to the party and the more activist side of them have pretty much pushed him out. The writing was on the wall for him and I think he is getting out at the right time. If Luxon makes him the next climate commissioner it will be a good move for both of them.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Collins had rumours swirling about being lazy as a councillor and never attending council meetings.

Might be just rumours but he would need at least a term to prove himself first.

But Chloe and someone else is more electable than Marama.

He had rumours. They might be rumours.

Facts would be nice.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

He had rumours. They might be rumours.

Facts would be nice.

Lowest attendance of councillors:

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Calling it a donation is bullshit. And nothing has been spent yet.

So start with that - wiz's statement is wrong, as is yours inruin.

And we're signing up to a treaty other nations have committed to as well.

Now if you want to debate that buying carbon credits is the wrong way to go about combatting climate change well, that's another argument.

But that's the commercial model, which is probably corrupt as well.

"Under current projections, by 2030 the New Zealand government has committed to buy up to $30 billion in offshore carbon credits to make up the difference between the country’s gross greenhouse gas emissions and the amount we have signed up to emit under the Paris Agreement – our Nationally Determined Commitment."

Committed - meaning nothing spent.

And it's not a fucking donation.

Your ok with any PM circumventing all checks and balances committing NZ to a huge contingent liability?

Doesn’t matter if it’s National or Labour. If the process is as described, it’s either corrupt or totally incompetent.

 

[Worried2Death]

Michael Bassett - https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/prog...26/nzme-pulls-racist-article-and-bans-bassett

Bear in mind NZME banned him.

Lol at those two pre-Maori Northlanders, pretty sure that's Ladyhawke and Mikey Havoc

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Be interesting to see how the Greens go over the next few years and next election. GGs shoplifting will be a short term hit. Will depend a lot on how Marama and Chloe get along as co leaders. Marama was pretty much left to rule the roost previously. I think they have lost a fair bit with Shaw resigning and probably moving on to new things by then. Can see those voters who moved from Labour last election to the Greens as the alternative left party, moving back to Labour as well.

Shaw departing is the big hit, it will soon become evident to those not already aware that they are not an environmental party. They will attract new voters for sure, however I suspect they lose more back to Labour.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Act’s popularity spiking in the Taxpayers Union - Curia poll taken during the Waitangi period, Greens in free fall post Golriz. Interesting momentum building in NZ right now.

Funny aye, when National was down in the polls there was a constant demand for the National leader to be replaced.

The right is gaining votes as the silent majority watches happily with the coalitions progress. The left is offering nothing but negativity. When’s Hipkins going to be rolled?

Are the posters on here going to finally give up on whinging about our great new leadership team? New Zealand’s finally heading on the right track again.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Funny aye, when National was down in the polls there was a constant demand for the National leader to be replaced.

The right is gaining votes as the silent majority watches happily with the coalitions progress. The left is offering nothing but negativity. When’s Hipkins going to be rolled?

Are the posters on here going to finally give up on whinging about our great new leadership team? New Zealand’s finally heading on the right track again.

Nah you’ve got it all wrong - the polls don’t count for anything, according to this thread it’s only the extreme left or right that bother to contribute to them and the poll doesn’t include the entire population of Waitangi protesters… and yes those excuses do seem to contradict each other.

 

[Bay39er]

Are the posters on here going to finally give up on whinging about our great new leadership team? New Zealand’s finally heading on the right track again.

I suspect that might happen when you and your sidekick stop whinging about the previous government