Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[wizard of Tauranga]

As a special gift from chatgpt:

1. What neoliberalism actually is (not the strawman)​

Neoliberalism isn’t just “free markets”.


At its core, it is a governing philosophy that prioritises:

• Markets over democratic decision-making
• Capital mobility over labour security
• Efficiency over resilience
• Shareholder value over social value
• Private solutions over public institutions

Crucially:




The state remains powerful, but increasingly acts to:

• Protect capital
• Enforce contracts
• Suppress labour power
• Socialise losses, privatise gains

Merry Christmas.

I’ll shock you with this Christmas present from chat GPT that may change your whole outlook on life (or it may not)::

Democracy is to ideas what capitalism and neoliberalism is to goods.

Here’s how the comparison works

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The core analogy​

Capitalism (markets for goods)​

• Many producers compete
• Consumers choose
• Bad products fail, good ones spread
• Prices signal value
• Innovation emerges from competition

Democracy (markets for ideas)​

• Many ideas compete
• Citizens choose (votes, speech, debate)
• Bad ideas lose legitimacy, good ones spread
• Public opinion signals value
• Policy innovation emerges from contestation

In both systems:

Competition is meant to discover what works.

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Where the analogy is strong​

1.​

• No single authority decides the “best” idea or product
• Trial-and-error replaces top-down certainty

2.​

• Markets evolve via consumer choice
• Democracies evolve via elections, debate, reform

3.​

• Multiple firms ↔ multiple parties, movements, viewpoints
• Monopolies ↔ authoritarianism

4.​

• Failed products teach markets
• Failed policies teach electorates (in theory)

There you are my fellow ponderer of economic systems. If you support democracy as the ultimate system by the same reasoning you must support capitalism and neoliberalism as they are founded in the same principals.

So Chloe Swarbruik would be a Kiwibank if she was a company. Merry Christmas!

 

[MaybeTop8]

Merry Christmas.

I’ll shock you with this Christmas present from chat GPT that may change your whole outlook on life (or it may not)::

Democracy is to ideas what capitalism and neoliberalism is to goods.

Here’s how the comparison works

---

The core analogy​

Capitalism (markets for goods)​

• Many producers compete
• Consumers choose
• Bad products fail, good ones spread
• Prices signal value
• Innovation emerges from competition

Democracy (markets for ideas)​

• Many ideas compete
• Citizens choose (votes, speech, debate)
• Bad ideas lose legitimacy, good ones spread
• Public opinion signals value
• Policy innovation emerges from contestation

In both systems:

---

Where the analogy is strong​

1.​

• No single authority decides the “best” idea or product
• Trial-and-error replaces top-down certainty

2.​

• Markets evolve via consumer choice
• Democracies evolve via elections, debate, reform

3.​

• Multiple firms ↔ multiple parties, movements, viewpoints
• Monopolies ↔ authoritarianism

4.​

• Failed products teach markets
• Failed policies teach electorates (in theory)

There you are my fellow ponderer of economic systems. If you support democracy as the ultimate system by the same reasoning you must support capitalism and neoliberalism as they are founded in the same principals.

So Chloe Swarbruik would be a Kiwibank if she was a company. Merry Christmas!

I don't have a santa claus laughing face, but yes, merry xmas.

 

[Damo]

Merry Boxing Day Eve team

 

[miket12]

Merry Christmas ya Ugly Pilgrims…. except to that one poster…. you know who you are!!!!

 

[Worried2Death]

Merry Christmas ya Ugly Pilgrims…. except to that one poster…. you know who you are!!!!

Is it Damo

 

[MaybeTop8]

Is it Damo

It can't be me, miket12 thinks I'm very handsome

 

[Worried2Death]

It can't be me, miket12 thinks I'm very handsome

Can't be me, I'm his biggest fan, he's like the centrist Phil Collins.

 

[miket12]

It can't be me, miket12 thinks I'm very handsome

Now I’m confused…. Didn’t know Wiz has a handsome Mother-in-law

 

[Noitall]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360...ut-after-blind-man-left-without-vital-support

Cutting teaching kids to swim obviously not the only place acc looking to cut costs. This blind guy lost funding for a support person to attend the gym with him until stuff intervened. Need fair go brought back

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Now I’m confused…. Didn’t know Wiz has a handsome Mother-in-law

I’m with the mother in law at the moment for Christmas.

Mental note: avoid discussing neoliberalism.

 

[miket12]

I’m with the mother in law at the moment for Christmas.

Mental note: avoid discussing neoliberalism.

Say hi to MT8 for me

 

[Inruin]

Happy christmas all, spreading the socialist love this morning to all who sail in this shaky boat. (Jesus was a true socialist btw, if he has returned, his name is Chloe)

I thought you had misgendered Chloe for a minute there but I guess the moustache is a bit of a giveaway.

It does make sense though because the majority of the country when they see or hear Chloe exclaim 'Jesus Christ!'

Merry Christmas to all, Happy Birthday Jesus and be thankful that it's only Christmas Day that is red and green.

 

[Noitall]

Merry Christmas to all, Happy Birthday Jesus and be thankful that it's only Christmas Day that is red and green

National certainly have made Christmas blue for many. Hope it’s been a good sermon this morning

 

[Inruin]

National certainly have made Christmas blue for many. Hope it’s been a good sermon this morning

Jesus is the reason for the season. God bless you @Noitall and everyone else. Wishing you all good health.

 

[Worried2Death]

Jesus is the reason for the season. God bless you @Noitall and everyone else. Wishing you all good health.

Even Top8?

 

[Inruin]

Even Top8?

Of course. Everyone, regardless of people's views and thoughts.

 

[Noitall]

Of course. Everyone, regardless of people's views and thoughts.

Hopefully destiny church are following your teachings. Merry Christmas to you and everyone here supporting the greatest league club

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Merry Christmas fellow forumers.

Loved the conversation and banter the past year no matter your persuasion.

Hope everyone gets everything they wished for, the economy rockets back next year and the Warriors are top 4 contenders again!

 

[Inruin]

Hopefully destiny church are following your teachings. Merry Christmas to you and everyone here supporting the greatest league club

While the benefits of living in this great country are many, there are always outliers that take advantage of it. Luckily we generally of a moderate center that tends to address these. And these outliers have their place and purpose.

'Don't believe the devil, I don't believe his book, but the truth is not the same without the lies he made up' - U2

 

[Noitall]

While the benefits of living in this great country are many, there are always outliers that take advantage of it. Luckily we generally of a moderate center that tends to address these. And these outliers have their place and purpose.

'Don't believe the devil, I don't believe his book, but the truth is not the same without the lies he made up' - U2

One must be very careful because of the many false prophets out there that say they are doing gods work but no better than the devil himself