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[MrFrankWhite]

Where have you been anyway, in the naughty corner?

Little contract job, shops starting to be self reliant.

 

[MaybeTop8]

I can't find a NZ Standard for steam engines online either..... sometimes things just move on.... or need to be rewritten.

I'm all for modernisation and democratisation of course. Fair regulation based on fact and standards.

But I can guarantee that won't be the aim of this legislation.

All context though right? Apologies, I didn't have time to provide these bits - it centres around Sean Plunkett

Stuff: Latest breaking news | New Zealand

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And of course the far right element both political and that of the Platform and it's ultra wealthy backers

BSA 'bordering on fascist' after The Platform decision - Peters

The Broadcasting Standards Authority has concluded an online media service "meets the Act's definition of 'broadcasting'", but the NZ First leader says it is going too far.

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The Post

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And Sean Fuckwit I mean Plunket - "The PM said he has my back"

View: https://www.facebook.com/theplatformnz/posts/sean-plunket-refreshes-the-prime-ministers-faulty-memory/1002688585616092/

 

[Worried2Death]

I'm all for modernisation and democratisation of course. Fair regulation based on fact and standards.

But I can guarantee that won't be the aim of this legislation.

All context though right? Apologies, I didn't have time to provide these bits - it centres around Sean Plunkett

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Stuff: Latest breaking news | New Zealand

www.stuff.co.nz

And of course the far right element both political and that of the Platform and it's ultra wealthy backers

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BSA 'bordering on fascist' after The Platform decision - Peters

The Broadcasting Standards Authority has concluded an online media service "meets the Act's definition of 'broadcasting'", but the NZ First leader says it is going too far.

www.rnz.co.nz

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The Post

www.thepost.co.nz

And Sean Fuckwit I mean Plunket - "The PM said he has my back"

View: https://www.facebook.com/theplatformnz/posts/sean-plunket-refreshes-the-prime-ministers-faulty-memory/1002688585616092/

It's a bit ominous, are they replacing the BSA with some other framework covering social media?

 

[MaybeTop8]

It's a bit ominous, are they replacing the BSA with some other framework covering social media?

Whatever it is you can guarantee it won't be to the benefit of ordinary new Zealanders or journalism

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Here ya go.

https://nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/rules/docs/traction-engines-2010.pdf

Did you find that at a video store?

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Systems of governance aren't tangential to poverty and wealth or whatever we're discussing are they? Seems pretty intrinsic to me. What's your ideal model?

As a thought experiment, look at small rural towns across the country. Some are prosperous while others are in decline. Look at what makes them successful and extrapolate that across NZ vs other countries then wealthy and poverty stricken families:

1 - Thriving towns are usually anchored to a strong, scalable industry. This is a trickle down where money spread through the town.
For NZ to be successful we need to prioritise successful industries with competitive advantages.
For families they need to prioritise education and attributes that make you highly employable.

2 - Towns with proactive councils, business groups, and iwi partnerships tend to punch above their weight. They chase investment, support events, and make it easier to build or start businesses. Others stagnate under risk-averse, resistant to change and/ or fragmented leadership.
Extrapolated to NZ, positivity and can do attitude. Currently we’re the risk averse resistant to change
For families get involved in the community, give everything a go and evolve with changes rather than resisting them.

3 - many invest in themselves with good cafes, decent schools, outdoor recreation, safety. That attracts remote workers, retirees, and tourism. Others don’t evolve and lose even their own locals to nearby centres.
In NZ case, pro industry, infrastructure, strong social support
In families case, invest in yourselves (education), housing, investments. Essentially live within your means and prioritise your future instead of living for the moment.

Just a little thought experiment!

 

[Worried2Death]

As a thought experiment, look at small rural towns across the country. Some are prosperous while others are in decline. Look at what makes them successful and extrapolate that across NZ vs other countries then wealthy and poverty stricken families:

1 - Thriving towns are usually anchored to a strong, scalable industry. This is a trickle down where money spread through the town.
For NZ to be successful we need to prioritise successful industries with competitive advantages.
For families they need to prioritise education and attributes that make you highly employable.

2 - Towns with proactive councils, business groups, and iwi partnerships tend to punch above their weight. They chase investment, support events, and make it easier to build or start businesses. Others stagnate under risk-averse, resistant to change and/ or fragmented leadership.
Extrapolated to NZ, positivity and can do attitude. Currently we’re the risk averse resistant to change
For families get involved in the community, give everything a go and evolve with changes rather than resisting them.

3 - many invest in themselves with good cafes, decent schools, outdoor recreation, safety. That attracts remote workers, retirees, and tourism. Others don’t evolve and lose even their own locals to nearby centres.
In NZ case, pro industry, infrastructure, strong social support
In families case, invest in yourselves (education), housing, investments. Essentially live within your means and prioritise your future instead of living for the moment.

Just a little thought experiment!

Which industries should we be investing in to double NZ's GDP Wiz, traditional primary exporting, tourism, rocket tech, AI?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Which industries should we be investing in to double NZ's GDP Wiz, traditional primary exporting, tourism, rocket tech, AI?

That's called centralised planning. What you should do is have a permissible business environment accompanied with a capital markets friendly to start up risk and entrepreneurship. Neither of those things exist in NZ. Then the crap business will fail and the innovative ones will rise.

You will be heavily weighted to the industries you already have, as people do what they know. But you can definitely tilt the scales. NZ is right up there in geothermal expertise but lagged for so long that Kenya caught up. Looks like the industry is back to new heights with the new supercritical plants.

Any small footprint, high intensity industry;
AI
Geothermal
Fusion
Biopharma
Genetics

 

[tyrael]

Here's a bit of tax information for you to consider.... if the Greens had their way, they would raise the total tax revenue from all sources from the current 33% of GDP to 45% of GDP ($200 billion tax revenue/$445 billion 2025 GDP).

Denmark taxes at that rate but they also allow oil and mineral exploration/extraction to fund it.... we don't.

I think the Greens are going too far with the taxes.

However, The tax system needs to change and it needs to make sure that companies are paying their FAIR share. Amazon, Google, Uber etc.

 

[tyrael]

this is the only thing I think I missed while overseas. Not sure how this is relevant?

In Asian cultures and I'm talking mostly Chinese culture which affected Japanese and Korean cultures, was that education was number 1. Educated people were the most prized and kings deferred to them. It was something to look up to. So even if you weren't educated, you admired and looked up to these people and wish your child was like that. European societies weren't like this because of a Royal/King/Caesar model where they were held high (chosen by God) because they were born into it or due to war.

Anyways, you seem like you don't want to help those less fortunate. Can I ask what is your take?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

In Asian cultures and I'm talking mostly Chinese culture which affected Japanese and Korean cultures, was that education was number 1. Educated people were the most prized and kings deferred to them. It was something to look up to. So even if you weren't educated, you admired and looked up to these people and wish your child was like that.

Very true. And look how far Japan has come since they were nuked, twice. Hence I'm a bit hesitant to just believe claims of "intergenerational trauma"

European societies weren't like this because of a Royal/King/Caesar model where they were held high (chosen by God) because they were born into it or due to war.

Bruh whut. Oxford University has been around since 1096.

Anyways, you seem like you don't want to help those less fortunate. Can I ask what is your take?

"Less fortunate" is entirely subjective though. Less fortunate than who? Me? And me when? Growing up or now?

 

[tyrael]

Bruh whut. Oxford University has been around since 1096.

I've never heard of a commoner aspiring to be like an educated person. It's not in the past culture.

Less fortunate" is entirely subjective though. Less fortunate than who? Me? And me when? Growing up or now?

I don't think you're having a good faith discussion. I say these poor people and you say xyz, then I ask you what would you do, then you say, I can't define it.

The average family whose children go to mangere college, Southern Cross, otahuhu college.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I've never heard of a commoner aspiring to be like an educated person. It's not in the past culture.

We can debate the pros and and cons of the aristocracy but for at least a few hundred years common Europeans knew education = power and money. Education in China was more restrictive than Europe.

I don't think you're having a good faith discussion. I say these poor people and you say xyz, then I ask you what would you do, then you say, I can't define it.

Thats because you use subjective terms without realising it. Very happy to start with absolute poverty

The average family whose children go to mangere college, Southern Cross, otahuhu college.

In your opinion, which is a bigger issue in those named schools, starvation or obesity?