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The most deliberately scientifically illiterate destructive far right government ever.

They don't give a fuck about New Zealanders, only those they can either get wealthy off or give wealth to.

Corrupt. Immoral. This is the right. This is who they are.

 
Renewables. Self sufficiency. Climate change counter measures. Addressing wealth inequality.

This is what we need our politicians to be talking about.

This is what we need all media to be talking about

This is what we need all New Zealanders to be aware of.


 
Renewables. Self sufficiency. Climate change counter measures. Addressing wealth inequality.

This is what we need our politicians to be talking about.

This is what we need all media to be talking about

This is what we need all New Zealanders to be aware of.


Renewables is a Catch 22 situation.... to meet renewables targets, the genretailers need capital. This comes through three major sources... increased revenue (which means charging customers more), borrowing money (which needs to be repaid plus interest and leads to charging customers more) or raising capital through creating and selling shares (and investors see these as income not growth shares so means charging customers more).

The government could provide more money... but that's then seen as subsidizing public/private corporations.

Another option would be to extend the Healthy Homes requirements to have landlords put in unsubsidized solar systems.... an expense that, when rent increases allow, is passed on to the tenant. Unortunately, a number of landlord will, in their own minds, justify the increase in rents because their tenants are paying less for their power.... i.e. a tenant saving $200 per month on their power could afford to pay $45 PW extra in their rent.

Personally, I'd favour the government providing grants for solar systems, compulsory solar on new warehousing/industrial developments over a certain size as well as R&D into super geothermal and storage options.
 
Renewables is a Catch 22 situation.... to meet renewables targets, the genretailers need capital. This comes through three major sources... increased revenue (which means charging customers more), borrowing money (which needs to be repaid plus interest and leads to charging customers more) or raising capital through creating and selling shares (and investors see these as income not growth shares so means charging customers more).

The government could provide more money... but that's then seen as subsidizing public/private corporations.

Another option would be to extend the Healthy Homes requirements to have landlords put in unsubsidized solar systems.... an expense that, when rent increases allow, is passed on to the tenant. Unortunately, a number of landlord will, in their own minds, justify the increase in rents because their tenants are paying less for their power.... i.e. a tenant saving $200 per month on their power could afford to pay $45 PW extra in their rent.

Personally, I'd favour the government providing grants for solar systems, compulsory solar on new warehousing/industrial developments over a certain size as well as R&D into super geothermal and storage options.
Thanks miket12, very difficult, but doing nothing isn't an option. Good thoughts
 
Another option would be to extend the Healthy Homes requirements to have landlords put in unsubsidized solar systems.... an expense that, when rent increases allow, is passed on to the tenant. Unortunately, a number of landlord will, in their own minds, justify the increase in rents because their tenants are paying less for their power.... i.e. a tenant saving $200 per month on their power could afford to pay $45 PW extra in their rent.
Re solar panels from an electrician:

1 - NZ is actually very southern and β€˜the land of the long white cloud’. Our panels in Nz are very inefficient compared to the likes of australia. Winter can be bleak with low generation for weeks.
2 - NZ doesn’t have the industry to install them like say, air con units. It would take years to build up that capacity
3 - you need storage (batteries) to make it work for 90% of households. It becomes an extremely expensive option.
4 - Once the power companies lose enough customers, the lines network becomes uneconomic supplying and maintaining street with no users except in extreme events. I don’t know how this can work longer term without effectively double paying (huge solar investment but still lines and generation cost)
 
Personally, I'd favour the government providing grants for solar systems, compulsory solar on new warehousing/industrial developments over a certain size as well as R&D into super geothermal and storage options.
Then watch the price of firming capacity go through the roof. Investment capital needs to be repaid. Rolling out solar reduces the KWh demand, so energy companies have to increase both $/KWh and daily connection charge to recoup.

There is no free lunch
 
Everyone goes off grid , home batteries? Industries obviously need more and cities etc.
But if every house had a 5 - 10kw system a few batteries and an EV car. Would go a long way.
Air
chamber composting toilets, another good shout.
 
Everyone goes off grid , home batteries? Industries obviously need more and cities etc.
But if every house had a 5 - 10kw system a few batteries and an EV car. Would go a long way.
Air
chamber composting toilets, another good shout.
Still not enough storage to go off grid. Need like 20kW solar, 100kWh batteries, 15kW inverter AND a generator on top. Plus the EV of course. Thats $100k on a shoestring budget, more likely to be $200k.
 
Still not enough storage to go off grid. Need like 20kW solar, 100kWh batteries, 15kW inverter AND a generator on top. Plus the EV of course. Thats $100k on a shoestring budget, more likely to be $200k.
I dunno man , I know a few around here in the Northern rivers who are off grid. How much power are you using?
Also it'd be good for the government to incentivise this type of shit so maybe the costs are cheaper? Like to be plugged into the grid costs you money , and the money they pay you for the power you generate is fuck all. So they always profit. But if somehow everyone was generating fuckloads of rooftop dollar plus all the commercial wind , future geothermal and solar add to that massive battery storage projects....
Could work
 
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