Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[Inruin]

Didn’t they halt all immigration? Look I’m not saying I’d support this because I believe we have a duty of care to less developed nations & people looking for a better future, however there are undeniable demographic trends that aren’t helpful for productivity in this country.

From memory there was criticism of not allowing short term unskilled fruit pickers in. There was more around not letting in trained doctors and nurses too.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Wealth tax would be a great start. Getting back democracy from the oligarchs and corporate backers another.

 

[Damo]

And I'll repeat my question. If they don't equal productivity then what benefit do they provide? Your assertion is that they are merely social goals.


Our education results have declined remarkably over time. Any correlation with our productivity stats?

And again, there is no simple, single answer. Education is certainly part of it though.

Well seeing as you won't answer mine again, no point continuing the discussion.

 

[Inruin]

Well seeing as you won't answer mine again, no point continuing the discussion.

Our education results have declined over time. So surely, improving on that makes a difference. Unless of course its just a social goal....

 

[Damo]

Our education results have declined over time. So surely, improving on that makes a difference. Unless of course its just a social goal....

I never said education was 'just' a social goal, that is putting words into my mouth.. To me it is the fuel, but not the engine. We’ve had the one of the best fuels in the world for decades and the car is still slow. Why? Because we have a tiny engine. We invest our national wealth in houses instead of technology. Until you address why NZ businesses don't invest in R&D, 'fixing schools' is just training people for high value jobs that don't exist here, which is why our best and brightest move to Australia the moment they graduate.

The current decline in schools is a tragedy for the future and not the cause of our decades long low productivity. And this is not me saying we shouldn't fix education..

 

[Inruin]

I never said education was 'just' a social goal, that is putting words into my mouth.. To me it is the fuel, but not the engine. We’ve had the one of the best fuels in the world for decades and the car is still slow. Why? Because we have a tiny engine. We invest our national wealth in houses instead of technology. Until you address why NZ businesses don't invest in R&D, 'fixing schools' is just training people for high value jobs that don't exist here, which is why our best and brightest move to Australia the moment they graduate.

The current decline in schools is a tragedy for the future and not the cause of our decades long low productivity. And this is not me saying we shouldn't fix education..

"Fixing education and crime is a great social goals"

Your words.

 

[Damo]

"Fixing education and crime is a great social goals"

Your words.

How does that in any way make it exclusively a social goal? You have surely heard of nuance? Look if you want to argue about a linguistic point instead of answering any questions again then this is a waste of time and you are approaching this in bad faith.

 

[Inruin]

How does that in any way make it exclusively a social goal? You have surely heard of nuance? Look if you want to argue about a linguistic point instead of answering any questions again then this is a waste of time and you are approaching this in bad faith.

Likewise, I said its a good start to productivity improvement.

You are the one that seems keen to argue that point.

 

[juju]

Likewise, I said its a good start to productivity improvement.

You are the one that seems keen to argue that point.

No substance. Just like the current government.