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[Inruin]

This Fakhar can certainly hit the ball

And then Ish sends him back to the sideline

 

[Ever Hopeful]

This Fakhar can certainly hit the ball

And then Ish sends him back to the sideline

I think Sodhi's pumped up celebration probably stems from the hiding he took from Fakhar in the WC. Sodhi bowls so many bad balls at the moment - at least 2 an over.

Geez Azam looked big behind the stumps, but he is massive when standing in front of those stumps. I wonder if he is as graceful as other rotund batsman like Ranatunga or Inzamam with the bat.

 

[Inruin]

I think Sodhi's pumped up celebration probably stems from the hiding he took from Fakhar in the WC. Sodhi bowls so many bad balls at the moment - at least 2 an over.

Geez Azam looked big behind the stumps, but he is massive when standing in front of those stumps. I wonder if he is as graceful as other rotund batsman like Ranatunga or Inzamam with the bat.

Yup pumped up with the wicket then next ball got pumped for 6 back over his head

 

[Inruin]

Game over - scoreboard pressure too much in the end.

Pakis looked like they struggled with the Eden Park ground and their bowling strategy.

Hamilton next game I think? Should be a cracker and shaping up as a good series

 

[Ever Hopeful]

Congrats to Southee - first player in T20I to 150 wickets.

 

[Inruin]

Southee 4-19. Lock it in

 

[Makasene]

At the risk of opening up a black hole...

Why is your avatar calling Daryl mitchell overrated Wrighty ?

 

[Boats n Hoes]

At the risk of opening up a black hole...

Why is your avatar calling Daryl mitchell overrated Wrighty ?

It's the weirdest thing, after Mitchell does well (which is quite often compared to our other batsmen these days) and posters get on and say "Mitchell played well"......it sets Wrighty off on a tirade saying we all must think he's better than Tendulkar, Williamson, Crowe and whoever else (which of course no one but Wrighty has ever mentioned in the same breath)..

Of course now it's led to whenever Mitchell does get a score, everyone winds Wrighty up (done all in jest Wrighty)

Then again, his old man was a prick so maybe that's it

 

[Wrighty]

At the risk of opening up a black hole...

Why is your avatar calling Daryl mitchell overrated Wrighty ?

He has discovered the right mental approach to an inning which is to attack from ball one. And is possibly the first new zealander I can recall who conisistently does this. The Australians call this being busy at the crease. Most of our guys potter around surviving until they get one with their name on it. However his technique will catch up with him and his averages in ODI cricket and Test cricket are probably about 20 runs over rated at the moment. He should be averaging in the 30s in test and ODIs relative to how good he actually is.
He actually averages 50 plus in those forms of the game which makes him among the elite cricketers in the world to have ever played cricket in the last 200 years. Including Gooch, Gower and Alan Border. Is he better than those three legends? Well you blokes seem to think he is because you defend him and say he is good value for his 53 run test match average and worth every penny of it.

It is like he has paid $9.99 for the hack code to cricket and is pressing shift left and button B on his remote controller to do a secret move.

He is an imposter and is showing up some legends of the game with his batting record.

 

[jonesy101]

He has discovered the right mental approach to an inning which is to attack from ball one. And is possibly the first new zealander I can recall who conisistently does this. The Australians call this being busy at the crease. Most of our guys potter around surviving until they get one with their name on it. However his technique will catch up with him and his averages in ODI cricket and Test cricket are probably about 20 runs over rated at the moment. He should be averaging in the 30s in test and ODIs relative to how good he actually is.
He actually averages 50 plus in those forms of the game which makes him among the elite cricketers in the world to have ever played cricket in the last 200 years. Including Gooch, Gower and Alan Border. Is he better than those three legends? Well you blokes seem to think he is because you defend him and say he is good value for his 53 run test match average and worth every penny of it.

It is like he has paid $9.99 for the hack code to cricket and is pressing shift left and button B on his remote controller to do a secret move.

He is an imposter and is showing up some legends of the game with his batting record.

He's averaging whatever runs are coming off his bat and that's all that matters.

 

[Inruin]

He has discovered the right mental approach to an inning which is to attack from ball one. And is possibly the first new zealander I can recall who conisistently does this. The Australians call this being busy at the crease. Most of our guys potter around surviving until they get one with their name on it. However his technique will catch up with him and his averages in ODI cricket and Test cricket are probably about 20 runs over rated at the moment. He should be averaging in the 30s in test and ODIs relative to how good he actually is.
He actually averages 50 plus in those forms of the game which makes him among the elite cricketers in the world to have ever played cricket in the last 200 years. Including Gooch, Gower and Alan Border. Is he better than those three legends? Well you blokes seem to think he is because you defend him and say he is good value for his 53 run test match average and worth every penny of it.

It is like he has paid $9.99 for the hack code to cricket and is pressing shift left and button B on his remote controller to do a secret move.

He is an imposter and is showing up some legends of the game with his batting record.

He has done it over a number of years and in different countries with different playing conditions. Yeah it could be more luck than skill but in my experience that consistency he has shown disproves that.

 

[Makasene]

I think he's a good example of what you can achieve in cricket as a late bloomer. Done a proper apprenticeship.

The backbone of the great aussie sides is the likes of Hussey, Chris Rogers etc scored 10,000 first class runs before getting a baggy green.

His ODI and Test averages are way above first class and list A which shows how his experience has helped him adjust.

Just think he knows his game inside out which helps him be consistent

 

[Wrighty]

I think he's a good example of what you can achieve in cricket as a late bloomer. Done a proper apprenticeship.

The backbone of the great aussie sides is the likes of Hussey, Chris Rogers etc scored 10,000 first class runs before getting a baggy green.

His ODI and Test averages are way above first class and list A which shows how his experience has helped him adjust.

Just think he knows his game inside out which helps him be consistent

That's the best post I have read in his defence. Good post.

 

[Bay39er]

He has discovered the right mental approach to an inning which is to attack from ball one. And is possibly the first new zealander I can recall who conisistently does this. The Australians call this being busy at the crease. Most of our guys potter around surviving until they get one with their name on it. However his technique will catch up with him and his averages in ODI cricket and Test cricket are probably about 20 runs over rated at the moment. He should be averaging in the 30s in test and ODIs relative to how good he actually is.
He actually averages 50 plus in those forms of the game which makes him among the elite cricketers in the world to have ever played cricket in the last 200 years. Including Gooch, Gower and Alan Border. Is he better than those three legends? Well you blokes seem to think he is because you defend him and say he is good value for his 53 run test match average and worth every penny of it.

It is like he has paid $9.99 for the hack code to cricket and is pressing shift left and button B on his remote controller to do a secret move.

He is an imposter and is showing up some legends of the game with his batting record.

If he is an imposter it is taking other sides a long time to find him out.

The names you mention in your post as legends are regarded as such because of their statistics - you can’t have it both ways Wrighty, either stats mean something or they don’t

 

[Wrighty]

Additional thoughts on DM.

To be fair to me. I did not raise Darryl Mitchell today and only responded because I was asked. I deliberately don't grind on about him as I have already made about 15 posts about the guy and anything more than that would be harassment. I find on forums people are tolerant and let you have your say as long as you don't bang on the same point every week.

The other thing I wanted to mention about test match batting averages is that according to an analysis I did which was then replicated by another knowledgeable poster on the dedicated cricket site i used to belong to, it takes about 80 tests for a test match batting average to solidify. Darryl has played 20 tests. If he still is averaging 53 in tests after 80 tests then even I will come around.

The last thing I wanted to post about him is that he is very much a front foot player. I am expecting him to become unglued on tours to Australia and South Africa on their hard pacey wickets which require a mastery of back foot play. He hasn't played tests in either country yet but has played ODIs in Aussie where in 3 games he averages 17.3 runs which is what I was expecting to happen to him against sheer pace.

All for now,

 

[Wrighty]

If he is an imposter it is taking other sides a long time to find him out.

The names you mention in your post as legends are regarded as such because of their statistics - you can’t have it both ways Wrighty, either stats mean something or they don’t

But some sides have "figured him out"
While he has bossed England and Pakistan and averages over 70 against them the following countries have contained him in tests
1) against bangers averaged 28
2) against India averages 34
3) against South africa averages 33
4) against West Indies averages 26
Yet to play Australia in tests

 

[Tookey 2.0]

Maaan I remember the era with Flemming, Astle, Cairns, McMillan and co and I think we had no one who averaged over 40 back then. Richardson came alone and I think he finished with an average of 44 maybe?

How the hell did we get to this point in time where some people aren't happy with a NZ cricketers success.
He's scored the runs, in multiple formats across multiple countries and continents. Yes, he won't go down as our best batsmen in NZ cricket history but boy is he going well at the moment. I know he doesn't bowl much but is still an all rounder even. Crazy he got to number 3 in the test rankings ..that's something to celebrate.

Nothing but tall poppy syndrome If you can't

 

[Inruin]

But some sides have "figured him out"
While he has bossed England and Pakistan and averages over 70 against them the following countries have contained him in tests
1) against bangers averaged 28
2) against India averages 34
3) against South africa averages 33
4) against West Indies averages 26
Yet to play Australia in tests

What have other NZ batsmen averaged in those same matches/series

Would you be picking him currently? If not who would you be replacing him with?

What are your thoughts on Henry Nichols and his batting?

 

[Wrighty]

What have other NZ batsmen averaged in those same matches/series

Would you be picking him currently? If not who would you be replacing him with?

What are your thoughts on Henry Nichols and his batting?

I am going to slither like an eel away from this topic as if it keeps going someone is going to flame me soon.

But yes you would have to pick Darryl right now. I would have him as my number 6 in tests and use him to bowl 10 overs per day.

I am not going to target Henry Nicholls today on the same day I am bashing Mitchell.

 

[Wrighty]

On to another topic, money considerations aside as I understand the players want to play T20 for the extra pay cheque, I would pick a specialist T20 side given I regard it as hit and giggle and it exposes our top players to the chance of injury.

My specialist T20 side

1) Finn Allen
2) Seifert
3) Cole McConchie (spin All rounder)
4) Clarkson
5) Nathan Smith (all rounder)
6) Dane Cleaver (keeper)
7) Kuggleijn (all rounder)
8) Rippon
9) Sodhi
10) Milne
11) Sears