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[Bay39er]

He was only ever convicted of perverting the course of justice over the Armstrong killing.
Tell me how that happens???
He has been protected for years.

Anyone who thinks the NZ Justice system is without “corruption” is deluded

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Milton Channing

Wow… how do you tie Turner to that?

 

[Beastmode]

Wow… how do you tie Turner to that?

For those interested in his disappearance

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-...y-new-information/OLFN67JBT4JUAOVJ6A75EWOEOY/Cold case inquiry: New information

Cold cases: The murdered and the missing - new information revealed for Rotorua cases

Rotorua is home to some of the country's oldest unsolved cases. Journalist Kelly Makiha reveals new information in some investigations and catches up with family members in others. Olive Walker (murdered) 1970 Rotorua police...

www.inkl.com

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

For those interested in his disappearance

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-...y-new-information/OLFN67JBT4JUAOVJ6A75EWOEOY/Cold case inquiry: New information

Cold cases: The murdered and the missing - new information revealed for Rotorua cases

Rotorua is home to some of the country's oldest unsolved cases. Journalist Kelly Makiha reveals new information in some investigations and catches up with family members in others. Olive Walker (murdered) 1970 Rotorua police...

www.inkl.com

Who’s PW and is he associated with the Turners?

The more I found out the more question

 

[Chip Douglas]

Wow… how do you tie Turner to that?

Just local knowledge, things I’ve been told.
No proof but it’s known by more than a few people.
His body never found either.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

For those interested in his disappearance

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-...y-new-information/OLFN67JBT4JUAOVJ6A75EWOEOY/Cold case inquiry: New information

Cold cases: The murdered and the missing - new information revealed for Rotorua cases

Rotorua is home to some of the country's oldest unsolved cases. Journalist Kelly Makiha reveals new information in some investigations and catches up with family members in others. Olive Walker (murdered) 1970 Rotorua police...

www.inkl.com

By the sounds of it I’m lucky to have made it out of Whangamata alive on my visits!

Murder capital of NZ!

 

[Chip Douglas]

Who’s PW and is he associated with the Turners?

The more I found out the more question

Yeah I don’t think PW is correct but it is in the article.
It’s more likely DT from info I’ve heard.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

He was only ever convicted of perverting the course of justice over the Armstrong killing.
Tell me how that happens???
He has been protected for years.

Didn’t he flee as well? Did he do time for perverting the course of justice? Did they prove he deliberately hit him as opposed to a straight accident? How did he get away with that!

You’re obviously very familiar with the case and community. Turners obviously into dodgy stuff. Is he involved in any gangs? Is he accepted/ popular within the community?

 

[Chip Douglas]

Didn’t he flee as well? Did he do time for perverting the course of justice? Did they prove he deliberately hit him as opposed to a straight accident? How did he get away with that!

You’re obviously very familiar with the case and community. Turners obviously into dodgy stuff. Is he involved in any gangs? Is he accepted/ popular within the community?

Yes he did flee the country for approximately 13 years I think. Did no jail time for the Armstrong killing. I’m told he backed over him so I doubt it was an accident but nevertheless the man died.
Turners and dodgy stuff? Oh yeah!! Most definitely!
Not known to have gang affiliation (maybe the blue type??).
I don’t think he’s the most popular member of his community but held fear over many in his heyday and probably still does now.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Yes he did flee the country for approximately 13 years I think. Did no jail time for the Armstrong killing. I’m told he backed over him so I doubt it was an accident but nevertheless the man died.
Turners and dodgy stuff? Oh yeah!! Most definitely!
Not known to have gang affiliation (maybe the blue type??).
I don’t think he’s the most popular member of his community but held fear over many in his heyday and probably still does now.

Where did he go in those 13 years and any missing person cold cases there?

 

[Chip Douglas]

Where did he go in those 13 years and any missing person cold cases there?

USA, no idea on what he did there.

 

[RufDmd]

Thought he skipped the country just after Urban was found for 13 years, got escorted back by interpol, tried the same trick after the Bush Road incident but failed. I could be wrong….

 

[Chip Douglas]

Thought he skipped the country just after Urban was found for 13 years, got escorted back by interpol, tried the same trick after the Bush Road incident but failed. I could be wrong….

Actually I think you may be right there.

 

[RufDmd]

The ‘2 bodies over the creek’ that was mentioned in the podcast ……So the 2 bodies over the creek doesn’t necessarily need to be Urban and Heidi. It could be Urban and Milton Channing? Heidi could be anywhere….

 

[Chip Douglas]

Very true!!

 

[Elias]

For those interested in his disappearance

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-...y-new-information/OLFN67JBT4JUAOVJ6A75EWOEOY/Cold case inquiry: New information

Cold cases: The murdered and the missing - new information revealed for Rotorua cases

Rotorua is home to some of the country's oldest unsolved cases. Journalist Kelly Makiha reveals new information in some investigations and catches up with family members in others. Olive Walker (murdered) 1970 Rotorua police...

www.inkl.com

”Milton was shot in the head, buried near a drug patch and his car driven to Rotorua forest and abandoned."

How often do this happen in the region ”… his [her] car driven to … and abandoned”? Who got the records of those type of events?

 

[Elias]

Thought 1: Tamihere was on the run for over 3 years in the Coromandel. He stole the tourists car, headed to Auckland and was spotted and arrested for jumping bail on his previous charges.

This was before he was ever a suspect in the Heidi case, which took a while to realise they were missing and track the car to Tamihere. When police knew he was a suspect he was already in custody.

So what’s the chances that the one time he decides to leave the Coromandel and get caught, is the time he stole a random murdered peoples car and their being no link?

Isn’t it more logical a significant event happened resulting in him changing the way he had lived for the past 3 years? Eg involvement in the murder?


Thought 2: Wishart’s book identified a Huia Foley who was violent, in the area and allegedly admitted to the crimes twice. Im not familiar with this suspect. Does anyone have more info? Would he have had any involvement with the Turners or Tamihere? Is there more evidence in Wisharts book than the confession?

Thought 1: Do we know that DT hadn’t been at home at all during the 3 years on the run?

Did DT leave so much simple second tracks of evidence but no forensic tracks and succeding cover the actuall crime spot and hiding the corpses so clever - one was found 18 month after the Swedes’ disappearance, one is still missing after 35 years!

Thought 2: Foley, too much of an insane freak to get away with a murder of the kind the Swedes corpses were “hidden”, one is still missing (well, maybe if you look the way, according to experts, Urban was frantically stabbed, Foley could be the one …)

Foley, at some point in early 1989 after an escape from a mental health institution he tried to rob the donations of his own church, chasing the priest around the Waihi Catholic Church - twice! But the priest won the race, got home and called the cops.

Foley dissappeard though, twisting his way, sleeping in the bush through

Waihi > Whangamata > Thames/Coromandel > Whitianga > Auckland

Foley, after stealing a friend’s car in Whitianga (late May 89’ about when the news broke of the missing Swedes) threatning him with a baseball bat; in the Auckland aerea Foley lost his arm waving it out of the window of the car after an attempted deliberatly head-on collission with a parked truck (“’… as if he was trying to commit suicide’ the truck driver said”).

Though, at his friends house he left an ”German army surplus sleeping bag” (European; not common in the aerea?). I think the police never found the Swedes’ sleeping bags.

”The unstable Foley’s zig-zag path through the Coromandel could easily have put him in contact with the Swedes, …”

Source: Wishart (2012), ”Missing pieces”

 

[Hokikid]

I have been watching a lot of lawyers on YouTube the last few years. A lot will livestream cases or follow various cases. One of them was the Murdaugh murders which has a NetFlix series going over the case. A lot of the lawyers didn't watch the series as they wanted the evidence to speak for itself. A common theme around the case was the judge letting the prosecution phrase questions or get the case moving in a direction where it was assumed he was guilty and he had to prove his innocence instead of the presumed innocent and needing to prove guilt.

It was reported here but just the news that he was guilty. Watching parts of it I can see where the lawyers were coming from.

How many cases do we have where that has been the case.

A difficult position to be in having a family member accused of something like this. They are entitled to a fair trial so like everyone else you can find out the truth. Then it would be a case of dealing with the fallout.

I agree, John must have found that very difficult. He knew David in a way no one else did. Curious how David 'Bear Grills'd' his way around the Coromandel, I wonder how much time John spent in that area growing up, I haven't heard him talk about it, only his Avondale upbringing

 

[Hokikid]

The similarity in that case was they knew they had a violent sex offender on their hands, who don't exist in great numbers, and guess who was at the place that night?

They could not,and did not bring that evidence to the jury, and as for the panted hair, there was other supporting evidence of his guilt.

yes, especially if you have watched Doubt, all the witness accounts of the missing Ketch sailing elsewhere what on earth??

 

[juju]

'Tell us where to find Heidi': Police call on David Tamihere as murder conviction upheld

Court of Appeal finds a miscarriage of justice but won't quash his murder conviction.

www.nzherald.co.nz