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[MaybeTop8]

It's really funny reading this thread for a few reasons:

1. You've got climate change deniers imagining they're free thinking individualists by denying the "mainstream" science, when actually they're thinking very precisely what the richest people in the world have spent decades paying a lot of money to make them think. They literally could not be more obedient to power if they tried.

2. The climate change denialists have won! We're doing bugger all to reduce emissions. We WILL see somewhere between 3 and 6 degrees warming by the end of the century. And the denialists are going to keep stubbornly denying while their insurance premiums skyrocket (if they can get insurance at all), and the roads they depend on are abandoned because they can't be replaced every five years. (No need to go into the really serious consequences).

Like climate change is really bad. But a small little silver lining is watching the chickens coming home to roost for the denialists while they keep denying because who wants to admit they were played and hoodwinked?

well put.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Civilisation has operated under a very specific climate for several thousand years.

That was assumed, but also found to be not true. We are finding evidence of human civilisation under ice that has existed for thousands of years.

Göbekli Tepe May push our civilisation timeline back tens or hundreds of thousands of years as well.

Ancient tools found under arctic ice

A 340-year-old bow reconstructed from several fragments found near melted patches of ice in the Mackenzie Mountains in the Northwest Territories of CanadaWarming temperatures are melting patches of ice that have been in place for thousands of years in the mountains of the Canadian High Arctic...

www.thedailystar.net

 

[MaybeTop8]

It's really funny reading this thread for a few reasons:

1. You've got climate change deniers imagining they're free thinking individualists by denying the "mainstream" science, when actually they're thinking very precisely what the richest people in the world have spent decades paying a lot of money to make them think. They literally could not be more obedient to power if they tried.

2. The climate change denialists have won! We're doing bugger all to reduce emissions. We WILL see somewhere between 3 and 6 degrees warming by the end of the century. And the denialists are going to keep stubbornly denying while their insurance premiums skyrocket (if they can get insurance at all), and the roads they depend on are abandoned because they can't be replaced every five years. (No need to go into the really serious consequences).

Like climate change is really bad. But a small little silver lining is watching the chickens coming home to roost for the denialists while they keep denying because who wants to admit they were played and hoodwinked?

Actually I think we can wrap up this column now based on this very correct and succinct post

 

[MaybeTop8]

It's really funny reading this thread for a few reasons:

1. You've got climate change deniers imagining they're free thinking individualists by denying the "mainstream" science, when actually they're thinking very precisely what the richest people in the world have spent decades paying a lot of money to make them think. They literally could not be more obedient to power if they tried.

2. The climate change denialists have won! We're doing bugger all to reduce emissions. We WILL see somewhere between 3 and 6 degrees warming by the end of the century. And the denialists are going to keep stubbornly denying while their insurance premiums skyrocket (if they can get insurance at all), and the roads they depend on are abandoned because they can't be replaced every five years. (No need to go into the really serious consequences).

Like climate change is really bad. But a small little silver lining is watching the chickens coming home to roost for the denialists while they keep denying because who wants to admit they were played and hoodwinked?

Strong parallels with the political forums too

 

[MrFrankWhite]

2. The climate change denialists have won! We're doing bugger all to reduce emissions. We WILL see somewhere between 3 and 6 degrees warming by the end of the century.

I thought the world was ending at 1c, 1.5c, 2c,2.5. Oh so it’s 3c now is it?

 

[Garry Saloon]

That was assumed, but also found to be not true. We are finding evidence of human civilisation under ice that has existed for thousands of years.

Göbekli Tepe May push our civilisation timeline back tens or hundreds of thousands of years as well.

Ancient tools found under arctic ice

A 340-year-old bow reconstructed from several fragments found near melted patches of ice in the Mackenzie Mountains in the Northwest Territories of CanadaWarming temperatures are melting patches of ice that have been in place for thousands of years in the mountains of the Canadian High Arctic...

www.thedailystar.net

Well I'm not sure about dailystar.net, but of course bows have been used in all sorts of climates. We've been hunting and gathering for eons. By civilisation we mean high population densities dependent on agriculture, which depends on a very specific climate.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Now’s a good time for the Doomer Boomers top ten.



“The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now.”

— Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb

The Population Bomb in the Rearview Mirror - Art Papers

www.artpapers.org

 

[Garry Saloon]

I thought the world was ending at 1c, 1.5c, 2c,2.5. Oh so it’s 3c now is it?

No serious person said the world was ending at any of those temperatures. The ippc reports have very specific effects with ranges of likelihoods across a variety of emissions reduction scenarios. You should give yourself some credit and argue against something other than a straw man.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The Ice Age

1970, the Boston Globe ran with a chilling headline, “Scientist Predicts A New Ice Age By 21st Century.

New Ice Age forecast

Clipping found in The Boston Globe published in Boston, Massachusetts on 4/16/1970. New Ice Age forecast

www.newspapers.com

 

[Garry Saloon]

Now’s a good time for the Doomer Boomers top ten.



“The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now.”

— Paul Ehrlich, The Population Bomb

The Population Bomb in the Rearview Mirror - Art Papers

www.artpapers.org

It's not hard to find someone who said something wrong once. Again, give yourself some credit and argue against some peer-reviewed studies, against ippc reports etc.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

It's not hard to find someone who said something wrong once. Again, give yourself some credit and argue against some peer-reviewed studies, against ippc reports etc.

We aren’t even close to done

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Also it’s not one person , once. I’m not going to flood the forum with every single piece source material.

 

[Garry Saloon]

The Ice Age

1970, the Boston Globe ran with a chilling headline, “Scientist Predicts A New Ice Age By 21st Century.

New Ice Age forecast

Clipping found in The Boston Globe published in Boston, Massachusetts on 4/16/1970. New Ice Age forecast

www.newspapers.com

Yes and scientists have said we'd be in flying cars and eating capsules containing all we need instead of regular food, and living in colonies on the moon. You've proved some scientists have made poor predictions at various points in history. And?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Again, give yourself some credit and argue against some peer-reviewed studies, against ippc reports etc.

Lastly I’m not a physics scientist, so I wouldnt pretend to be smart enough. But there are plenty of ones who do. I’ve posted them previously in this thread.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Lastly I’m not a physics scientist, so I wouldnt pretend to be smart enough. But there are plenty of ones who do. I’ve posted them previously in this thread.

And yet you do pretend to be smart enough

 

[Worried2Death]

Looks like Sydney has been paying their carbon taxes based on these high tide lines.

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Went out to the steps today and took a picture of the actual high tide, nothing to worry about

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Went out to the steps today and took a picture of the actual high tide, nothing to worry about

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You go back tomorrow and this is what you will see. Al Gore said so.