Social ⚔️ Palestine, Israel war.

Agree to disagree bro. I have watched/read enough news on this conflict to form a personal opinion on it all. And for the sake of peace in the Middle forums lol. I'll keep it to myself. Have a good day my bro.
Fair enough. No party is blameless in this I feel. Hamas and Israel are playing a good game for want of better words

Interesting article that comes across as quite nuetral

 
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You wandered into the political threads my friend and there’s a group that bully alternative voices out 🤣

I respect your personal views and experiences. First hand experience of situations give so much more context than manipulated perspectives feed to people through the media.
Alternate voices.
Why do you say I sound like a bigot or is that what you think of me.... not once have I ever accused you or anyone else ... Ive stated facts and my own experience, I try to politely correct any discrepancies ... have you been to Israel, gaza, west bank... Only you can answer that...
Honestly I thought my fellow forum members would be better than that.. and have some sort of dignity and honor.... we all have differing opinions, but there is no need for implying personal insults...
We are all warriors fans on this forum ... united ... let it be so...
Your original post was quite bigoted, but it seems to have disappeared along with a few others.

As for your reply Wiz - bully alternative voices out? Not really, call out bullshit though, yeah for sure.

You can start an "alternative voice" thread if you want
 
The 1988 charter gets brought up a lot. Hamas replaced it in 2017 - the updated version accepts a Palestinian state on 1967 borders and separates Judaism from Zionism.
Quoting a 37 year old document they themselves ditched is like quoting Likud's original charter rejecting any Palestinian state. Except Likud never changed theirs, and their guys are in government right now pushing annexation. Lol.

Your historical sources aren't great either. One is a 7th century church leader watching his empire fall and demonising the enemy. The other is an 18th century British imperialist calling Arabs savages, the same way the British talked about basically every non white civilisation they wanted to colonise. Neither are valid perspectives of history then or now.
What you're really arguing is that Islam is inherently violent, so Muslims don't belong in Palestine. But every major religion and empire expanded through conquest during this period, Christianity colonised the Americas, Africa, Australia, the Pacific.
Singling out Islam as uniquely barbaric while defending a state that's currently flattening Gaza is a bit rich.

Your ALL CAPS notes give it away too. You're treating any criticism of Zionism as antisemitism. That's a nice trick to try and shut down the conversation.
My guess is you have a Christian-Zionism bent, and need the Jews in the holy land to complete your own fanatical fantasy!
And you've dodged every point I've made, the ICJ ruling, the PLO recognising Israel in 1993, Netanyahu funding Hamas, Israel calculating caloric intake for Gaza's population. You skipped all of that and defaulted to demonising Islam.

You're horrified by religious language in a charter Hamas already replaced but unbothered by Israeli ministers using biblical claims to justify ethnic cleansing now.
In October, 2023, Netanyahu declared the invasion of Gaza a "holy mission" and "remember what Amalek has done to you."
For context, in the Jewish Torah and the Old Testament God commands the total extermination of Amalek (men, women and children).
Also, Education Minister Yoav Kisch said Palestinians "are animals, they have no right to exist. They need to be exterminated."
In August 2024, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich called it "justified and moral" to starve 2 million people.
In March 2025, Environment Minister Idit Silman said: "The only solution for the Gaza Strip is to empty it of Gazans. God has sent us the U.S. administration, and it is clearly telling us, it's time to inherit the land."
These aren't fringe figures. They're sitting cabinet ministers. There's a treasure trove of genocidal quotes from sitting members of the Israeli Govt. So really, you're not against religious extremism. You're just picky about which one.
The 1988 charter has not been abandoned. It is their founding document.

Mahmoud al-Zahar (senior Hamas leader, co-founder and prominent figure): “One of Hamas’s most senior officials said on Wednesday a document published by the Islamist Palestinian group last week was not a substitute for its founding charter… Speaking in Gaza City, Mahmoud al-Zahar… said the political policy document… did not contradict its founding covenant, published in 1988… ‘The charter is the core of (Hamas’s) position and the mechanism of this position is the document.’”25
Source: Reuters, May 10, 2017.

If you understand Taqiyya in radical Islam, you will understand that there is a lot of smoke and mirrors.

Look, I am not denying Israel has been excessive. No group is perfect in this. I just don't support terrorist groups.
 
There is a reason Egypt have locked their border with Hamas in charge.

Building tunnels and bases under hospitals and schools etc. Using aid money to build them and increase supplies of weapons.. Using civilians as shields. Raiding and stockpiling food meant for the population and on selling it to them.
And for all the talk of genocide, Israel has a well trained and equiped army that could do that very easily if that was the goal.
70000+ reported deaths (that's Palestine numbers given), which includes Hamas members, natural deaths, deaths from rockets misfired from inside Gaza intended for Israel as well as the tragic civilian casualties. If anything Oct 7th bears more resemblance to genocide,v the stated aim of Hamas.

Israel isn't anywhere near blameless but over the years look at the number of Islamist countries that have taken them on. Over land, religion, philosophy, history.....

A two state solution is an answer but Israel has a right to be sceptical particularly when it comes to Hamas. Time will tell if they disarm and disband but it seems unlikely when they rushed back in as the police force executing 'thier' people in the street as soon as Israel started withdrawals.

This is not just a last few decades problem. Its roots go back centuries for Palestine and thousands of years for Israel.

I must say that Hamas has been brilliant with their strategy and propaganda in all of this. I don't think they counted on Trump winning the election though.
"Israel isn't anywhere near blameless". Understatement of the last 15 centuries.

"I must say that Hamas has been brilliant with their strategy and propaganda in all of this" - confirming the far right bias
 
"Israel isn't anywhere near blameless". Understatement of the last 15 centuries.

"I must say that Hamas has been brilliant with their strategy and propaganda in all of this" - confirming the far right bias
So you agree with me on one point with adding absolutely nothing.

You don't think Hamas has had a brilliant strategy and propaganda piece going on? Do you think it's all just been fluid and adhoc? Please elaborate. Or is that just confirming your left wing bias?
 
So you agree with me on one point with adding absolutely nothing.

You don't think Hamas has had a brilliant strategy and propaganda piece going on? Do you think it's all just been fluid and adhoc? Please elaborate. Or is that just confirming your left wing bias?
I know you're hard right. I know you back Israel 100%. I know you deflect, promote disinformation and lies and are generally quite unpleasant.
 
You don't help the situation by doing this you know, at least refute things with something rather than this constant stuff.
Sure. I don't support Hamas or anything to do with them.

Inruin is hard right. And does support Israel 100%, focussing on Hamas while ignoring the utter genocide committed by Israel on the Palestinian people, backed by the US.
 
Sure. I don't support Hamas or anything to do with them.

Inruin is hard right. And does support Israel 100%, focussing on Hamas while ignoring the utter genocide committed by Israel on the Palestinian people, backed by the US.
You don't even know me mate. You haven't rebutted any of my points and continue to resort to labeling people, not just me, and extreme wording rather than discussion. Makes for a very boring forum.
 
The 1988 charter has not been abandoned. It is their founding document.

Mahmoud al-Zahar (senior Hamas leader, co-founder and prominent figure): “One of Hamas’s most senior officials said on Wednesday a document published by the Islamist Palestinian group last week was not a substitute for its founding charter… Speaking in Gaza City, Mahmoud al-Zahar… said the political policy document… did not contradict its founding covenant, published in 1988… ‘The charter is the core of (Hamas’s) position and the mechanism of this position is the document.’”25
Source: Reuters, May 10, 2017.

If you understand Taqiyya in radical Islam, you will understand that there is a lot of smoke and mirrors.

Look, I am not denying Israel has been excessive. No group is perfect in this. I just don't support terrorist groups.
The 2017 document accepts a Palestinian state on 1967 borders and separates Judaism from Zionism. Whether one Hamas leader calls it a supplement or a replacement, the political position shifted. Meanwhile Likud's charter still rejects Palestinian statehood outright and nobody demands they renounce it before being taken seriously. Funny how that works.
And you've brought up Taqiyya. The Islamophobe's favourite - "Muslims are allowed to lie it says so in the Qoran!" Lol! Judaism has Pikuach Nefesh - which similarly allows the person to ignore religious instruction to preserve life. By your own logic we should dismiss every Israeli political statement as sanctioned deception. But I wouldn't, because I'm not a bigot.

"I just don't support terrorist groups" This is darkly funny. Nelson Mandela was on the US terror list until 2008, 9 fucking years AFTER he left office as president of South Africa and 5 years before his death. "Terrorist" is what the powerful conveniently label the resistance fighting back against their occupiers. It's a word that lets you gloss over occupation, blockade, ethnic cleansing, and land theft and jump straight to condemning the resistance without ever asking what they're resisting.
 
Sure. I don't support Hamas or anything to do with them.

Inruin is hard right. And does support Israel 100%, focussing on Hamas while ignoring the utter genocide committed by Israel on the Palestinian people, backed by the US.
I'm not going in to bat for anyone, just recommend refuting others opinions constructively rather than resorting to outrage. People will be more receptive to conversation and debate
 
You don't even know me mate. You haven't rebutted any of my points and continue to resort to labeling people, not just me, and extreme wording rather than discussion. Makes for a very boring forum.
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Israel are wiping Palestine off the map. That's always been the aim. All I see here is minimisation on behalf of Israel. They've completely destroyed the majority of Palestine with no desire at all to see a two state solution.

It's ethnic cleansing.

Over the years look at how Israel has conducted itself as a nation with it's neighbours. With the US backing. Including Hamas.

 
I'm not going in to bat for anyone, just recommend refuting others opinions constructively rather than resorting to outrage. People will be more receptive to conversation and debate
Sure Damo, fair call, worth looking closer at the statements of the people I'm replying to.

The people I reply to most often have form as well you know, the consistency of the content they put out can be pretty disturbing.

Inruin is pretty consistently unpleasant and I'm sure he'll say the same about me.
 
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Israel are wiping Palestine off the map. That's always been the aim. All I see here is minimisation on behalf of Israel. They've completely destroyed the majority of Palestine with no desire at all to see a two state solution.

It's ethnic cleansing.

Over the years look at how Israel has conducted itself as a nation with it's neighbours. With the US backing. Including Hamas.

Israel is intent on destroying Hamas. If that's what you mean by ethnic cleansing, then yes. Otherwise the numbers of deaths, while in the tens of thousands, and many of them tragically innocent civilians, don't support that conclusion. Add to that the fact that you have Gazans and Arabs as citizens of Israel and some holding positions of power seem to contradict this type of claim as well. Israel are letting thousands of Gazans across the border if they have no connection with Hamas. Again, doesn't back the claim up.

They are destroying Hamas and any infrastructure they can find of theirs. They have said there can be no two state solution where Hamas is involved. I think they have good reasons for that.

What do you think of Hamas's tactics through out this last few years and building up to it?
 
Israel is intent on destroying Hamas. If that's what you mean by ethnic cleansing, then yes. Otherwise the numbers of deaths, while in the tens of thousands, and many of them tragically innocent civilians, don't support that conclusion. Add to that the fact that you have Gazans and Arabs as citizens of Israel and some holding positions of power seem to contradict this type of claim as well. Israel are letting thousands of Gazans across the border if they have no connection with Hamas. Again, doesn't back the claim up.

They are destroying Hamas and any infrastructure they can find of theirs. They have said there can be no two state solution where Hamas is involved. I think they have good reasons for that.

What do you think of Hamas's tactics through out this last few years and building up to it?
This reads like Israel propaganda Inruin.
 
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