Social ⚔️ Palestine, Israel war.

[Evil_Mush]

And so, the next bloody chapter of the "mine, no mine, no mine, no mine" territorial dispute in the holy lands begins.

Reminds me of the Tool song "Right In Two"...

"Angels on the sideline
Baffled and confused
Father blessed them all with reason
And this is what they choose?
Monkey killing, monkey killing, monkey over
Pieces of the ground
Silly monkeys
Give them thumbs, they forge a blade
And where there's one, they're bound to divide it
Right in two"


Fuck all war right in the eye

 

[sup42]

I've got Israeli friends in bomb shelters today, they blame Netanyahu for behaving like a terrorist and American puppet, they want Palestinian representation in Knesset and a form of co-governance.
There is a deep racism inherent in Israel, I suppose it's what you get after 4,000 years of existential threat to your race from people who are actively trying to kill you, usually the neighbours.

Sorry to hear of your mates. That is no good bro.

I hope things are under control quickly and a resolution is achieved without further harm to people.

It is a different thing to know people, discussions like this can be unpleasant reading, I found the hardest thing is seeing something you care about turned into a pub discussion and a pseudo academic exercise by people who know nothing of what it is really like.

People say stupid shit at times like these, we are an ignorant, shallow and unfeeling people in the first world.

 

[NZDoug]

an 18 day old article has real foresight in the Israeli-Palestinian question.

Andrew Bacevich again

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The question one has to ask is: where is Israel headed? I think that we’re going to end up with a Greater Israel, which means an Israel that controls both Gaza and the West Bank. I agree with Andy that hardly anybody believes that a two-state solution is possible anymore. When you look at all the settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, it’s hard to see how it’s possible to create a viable Palestinian state. But more importantly, the political center of gravity in Israel is moving to the right, and therefore you don’t have any real constituency in Israel that supports creating a viable Palestinian state on Israel’s borders. That means you’re going to have a Greater Israel, which is going to be an apartheid state. In fact, more and more people are saying just that. Israeli leaders have been saying it for a long time—Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert, both former Israeli prime ministers, have said that if you don’t get a two-state solution and you end up with a Greater Israel it will be an apartheid state. Kerry has said this, as has Obama.

So that’s where we’re headed. This is going to be a huge problem for Israel, and for the United States as well, because we are joined at the hip with Israel. What Israel does and how Israel evolves matters greatly for America’s reputation. This is why President Obama, and President George W. Bush before him, and President Clinton before him, went to great lengths to get a two-state solution. They all understood that it was in the American national interest. They also felt it was in Israel’s national interest, which I think is correct. But all three of them failed; indeed they never even came close to getting an agreement, and at this point there’s virtually no hope. So, as far as relations between Israel and the United States are concerned, things are pretty much going to stay the same for the foreseeable future, which is bad news for both countries.

More
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/...rsheimer-welcome-to-greater-israel-apartheid/

Interesting video on the page.

 

[Natural Born Warrior]

None of what is happening is about policy or a two state solution.

The issue has and always will be about Ishmael/Esau vs Issac/Jacob.

The western mind simply can not comprehend or understand this. What we see as myths, they see as their traced history.

The west thinks political solutions. Its impossible amongst these ancestral people.

They are raping children, breaking their limbs and executing them. This story is roughly 4000 years old. Won't be solved by any of our generation.

 

[tajhay]

My mum went on a tourist trip to Jordan and Jerusalem and just came back last week. She had to delete some videos she had taken but some of the stuff she did post were quite sad about the way Israeli armed treat the palestinians. Her tour was held up a number of times due to some of the people on the trip held up by the armed forces at the borders.

 

[NZDoug]

None of what is happening is about policy or a two state solution.

The issue has and always will be about Ishmael/Esau vs Issac/Jacob.

The western mind simply can not comprehend or understand this. What we see as myths, they see as their traced history.

The west thinks political solutions. Its impossible amongst these ancestral people.

They are raping children, breaking their limbs and executing them. This story is roughly 4000 years old. Won't be solved by any of our generation.

The law that gave parts of Palestine to Israel in 1948 was based on a 2 state solution.
The Balfour Declaration in 1917 between Great Britain via Lord Rothschild was an agreement for British support in attaining this objective.
America agreed to enter WW1 to support this zionist movement.
Palestine got the shaft and so it remains to this day.

 

[Natural Born Warrior]

The law that gave parts of Palestine to Israel in 1948 was based on a 2 state solution.
The Balfour Declaration in 1917 between Great Britain via Lord Rothschild was an agreement for British support in attaining this objective.
America agreed to enter WW1 to support this zionist movement.
Palestine got the shaft and so it remains to this day.

Palestinians are simply Jordanians who got the shafted from Jordan who had displaced them from their lands. No middle eastern nations would take them either.

There can never be peace ever. The middle eastern nations and many African nations hate the Hebrews/Jews and always will. They can not live next to each other. They are completely opposed. The day is coming when all of the middle east will come for Israel. They tried once and failed but they will be back.

It just will be. That is why Israel has the Samson option otherwise they would all be dead already.

Israel is more likely to use a nuke than Iran.

 

[NZDoug]

The intended boundaries of Palestine were not specified, and the British government later confirmed that the words "in Palestine" meant that the Jewish national home was not intended to cover all of Palestine. The second half of the declaration was added to satisfy opponents of the policy, who had claimed that it would otherwise prejudice the position of the local population of Palestine and encourage antisemitismworldwide by "stamping the Jews as strangers in their native lands". The declaration called for safeguarding the civil and religious rights for the Palestinian Arabs, who composed the vast majority of the local population, and also the rights and political status of the Jewish communities in other countries outside of Palestine. The British government acknowledged in 1939 that the local population's views should have been taken into account, and recognised in 2017 that the declaration should have called for the protection of the Palestinian Arabs' political rights.

The declaration had many long-lasting consequences. It greatly increased popular support for Zionismwithin Jewish communities worldwide, and became a core component of the British Mandate for Palestine, the founding document of Mandatory Palestine. It indirectly led to the emergence of Israel and is considered a principal cause of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, often described as the world's most intractable conflict. Controversy remains over a number of areas, such as whether the declaration contradicted earlier promises the British made to the Sharif of Mecca in the McMahon–Hussein correspondence.

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Natural Born Warrior]

Wall Street Journal breaking openly Iran planned this attack.

https://www.wsj.com/

 

[Up the guttz]

I’m no Middle East expert but one thing I know is Israel is extremely powerful, even without USA.
Poking the bear doesn’t seem smart.
As the above stats, you would have to think Iran is involved and yes it prob is a retaliation to the future Israel and Sudi deal.

 

[Rizzah]

Wall Street Journal breaking openly Iran planned this attack.

https://www.wsj.com/

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How is this any different to The US and allies helping Ukraine against Russia (an aggressor)?
Gaza has been under blockaded for nearly 2 decades by Israel. Israel controls all movement in and out of Gaza (incl food, water, electricity), which in itself is an act of war from Israel.

 

[hornbybrown]

Israel’s retaliation will be swift, brutal and pinpoint accurate. They tend not to fark around!

The law that gave parts of Palestine to Israel in 1948 was based on a 2 state solution.
The Balfour Declaration in 1917 between Great Britain via Lord Rothschild was an agreement for British support in attaining this objective.
America agreed to enter WW1 to support this zionist movement.
Palestine got the shaft and so it remains to this day.

Yep, crazy of the west to think it can just draw some lines on a map, call it a country and expect the people of the region a known volatile region to just be ok with it.

 

[Natural Born Warrior]

How is this any different to The US and allies helping Ukraine against Russia (an aggressor)?
Gaza has been under blockaded for nearly 2 decades by Israel. Israel controls all movement in and out of Gaza (incl food, water, electricity), which in itself is an act of war from Israel.

The difference is Iran has state time and time they exist to kill every single JEW on earth.

Iran planning to assassinate diaspora Jews if Israel attacks: French journalist

LONDON: Tehran has identified a significant number of diaspora Jews worldwide to assassinate in the event of a war with Israel, a French journalist specializing in Iranian affairs has warned. Catherine Perez-Shakdam — who has met both Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and President Ebrahim...

www.arabnews.com

'Kill all Jews and annihilate Israel!' Website close to Iran's Ayatollah lays out legal and religious justification for attack

A website with close ties to Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (pictured) has outlined why it would be acceptable to kill all Jews and annihilate Israel.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Whose the aggressor here? The gates and walls were put up to stop Jordanians killing the Jews.

How is it an act of War if the land belongs to Israel and always has historically? Palestinians are simply displaced Jordanians. Throughout history that land was always Israel's. For the sake of the world's demands and for local peace they allowed the displaced Jordanians to live there. These Jordanians kept killing the Jews over and over. Strapping bombs to their kids and sacrificing them. Jews hammer down harder on Jordanians and more Jews get killed. Cycle keep repeating.

Hamas now has taken it to the final conclusion. Everyone will now suffer.

Since when do you see Jew's executing parents in from the children and then taking these young children, raping them, breaking their limbs and executing them. If your neighbor did this to you, what would you do?

What people don't realise is that another holocaust is shaping up for the Jew's. They know that to. They are literally fighting for their survival as a people.

 

[BabylonPink]

The difference is Iran has state time and time they exist to kill every single JEW on earth.

Iran planning to assassinate diaspora Jews if Israel attacks: French journalist

LONDON: Tehran has identified a significant number of diaspora Jews worldwide to assassinate in the event of a war with Israel, a French journalist specializing in Iranian affairs has warned. Catherine Perez-Shakdam — who has met both Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and President Ebrahim...

www.arabnews.com

'Kill all Jews and annihilate Israel!' Website close to Iran's Ayatollah lays out legal and religious justification for attack

A website with close ties to Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (pictured) has outlined why it would be acceptable to kill all Jews and annihilate Israel.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Whose the aggressor here? The gates and walls were put up to stop Jordanians killing the Jews.

How is it an act of War if the land belongs to Israel and always has historically? Palestinians are simply displaced Jordanians. Throughout history that land was always Israel's. For the sake of the world's demands and for local peace they allowed the displaced Jordanians to live there. These Jordanians kept killing the Jews over and over. Strapping bombs to their kids and sacrificing them. Jews hammer down harder on Jordanians and more Jews get killed. Cycle keep repeating.

Hamas now has taken it to the final conclusion. Everyone will now suffer.

Since when do you see Jew's executing parents in from the children and then taking these young children, raping them, breaking their limbs and executing them. If your neighbor did this to you, what would you do?

What people don't realise is that another holocaust is shaping up for the Jew's. They know that to. They are literally fighting for their survival as a people.

Palestine from Phillistine

That's where it comes from.
I believe these people have shared this land for a long time....


Jews and Muslims and Christians all seemed to get along pretty well under the Ottomans.
When the State of Israel ( modern) was created by European/Western powers and a lot of European refugees arrived that's when the dynamic changed.
And isn't Judaism a religion not a "Race" persay? I mean unless " Races" exist.....

 

[defensivebomb]

Don’t worry guys, Nanaia Mahuta will fix this. She’ll just send an email to both parties and job done

 

[juju]

Don’t worry guys, Nanaia Mahuta will fix this. She’ll just send an email to both parties and job done

Pathetic comment given the context...

 

[NZDoug]

Don’t worry guys, Nanaia Mahuta will fix this. She’ll just send an email to both parties and job done

Somebodies got to step up to the plate.
This would make a great cover for
”WORLD! PEACE! NOW!
meanwhile
“NO PROBLEM”
During the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine against the Mandatory Palestine, the militant Zionist group Irgun carried out 60 attacks against Palestinian people and the British Army.[1] Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by The New York Times,[2][3] the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry,[4] prominent world figures such as Winston Churchill[5] and Jewish figures such as Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, and many others.[6] The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs describes it as "an underground organizatin."[7] The New York Times at the time cited sources in an investigative piece whichlinked the Haganah paramilitary group to Irgun attacks such as the King David Hotel bombing.

Irgun launched a series of attacks which lasted until the founding of Israel. All told, Irgun attacks against Arab targets resulted in at least 250 Arab deaths during this period. The following is a list of attacks resulting in death attributed to Irgun that took place during the 1930s and 1940s. Irgun conducted at least 60 operations altogether during this period.

During the Arab revolt (1937–1939)

Further information: 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine

Date	Casualties	References
1937, March	2 Arabs killed on Bat Yam beach.	[12]
1937, November 14	10 Arabs killed by Irgun units launching attacks around Jerusalem, ("Black Sunday")	[13][14]
1938, April 12	2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa.	[14]
1938, April 17	1 Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa	[14]
1938, May 17	1 Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road.	[14]
1938, May 24	3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa.	[14]
1938, June 19	18 Arabs killed (9 men, 6 women and 3 children), 24 injured by a bomb that was thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Haifa.	[15][16][17][18]
1938, June 23	2 Arabs were killed near Tel Aviv.	[14]
1938, June 26	7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa.	[14]
1938, June 27	1 Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa.	[14]
1938, July 5	7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel Aviv.	[14]
1938, July 5	3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem.	[14]
1938, July 5	1 Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem.	[14]
1938, July 6	18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab melon market in Haifa. More than 60 people were wounded. The toll over two days of riots and reprisals was 33 dead, 111 wounded.	[14][19][20][21]
1938, July 8	4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem.	[14]
1938, July 16	10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem.	[14]
1938, July 25	43 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.	[14][22]
1938, August 26	24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa.	[14]
1939, February 27	33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem.	[23]
1939, May 29	18 people were injured, including 13 Arabs and three British police, by mines detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem.	[24]
1939, May 29	5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas.	[14]
1939, June 2	5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem.	[14][25]
1939, June 12	1 British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs killed, during a post office in Jerusalem was bombing	[14]
1939, June 16	6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem.	[14]
1939, June 19	20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa.	[14][26]
1939, June 29	13 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks around Jaffa during a one-hour period.	[14][27]
1939, June 30	1 Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem.	[14]
1939, June 30	2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta.	[14]
1939, July 3	1 Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.	[14][28]
1939, July 4	2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem.	[14]
1939, July 20	1 Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa.	[14]
1939, July 20	6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel Aviv.	[14]
1939, July 20	3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot.	[14]
1939, August 26	2 British police officers including Ralph Cairns were killed by a roadside bomb in Jerusalem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks

 

[Bruce]

The law that gave parts of Palestine to Israel in 1948 was based on a 2 state solution.
The Balfour Declaration in 1917 between Great Britain via Lord Rothschild was an agreement for British support in attaining this objective.
America agreed to enter WW1 to support this zionist movement.
Palestine got the shaft and so it remains to this day.

Like IndoChina, the real problem was with the French after WWI.

TE Lawrence promised the Arabs their freedom from Turkey, the French didn't want that, and England went with them.

So the Arabs were shafted.

Then some Nazis got in with some radical Palestinians during and after WWII and spread anti semitism.

Without that there was a chance Palestine could have been a secular state.

Then you have a bunch of Jews who believe Palestine is theirs because god gave it to them 3000 years ago.

Netanyahu sucked up to Putin over Ukraine, now that has come back to bite him.

Some fecker please remind me that Putin is worth negotiating with. His fingerprints are all over this.

israel will probably try and get their hostages back, and then snot the daylights out of the Gaza strip again.

 

[defensivebomb]

Pathetic comment given the context...

She’s basically sent her platitudes for both sides to calm down

Well out of her depth as a foreign minister

 

[NZDoug]

The Palestinian Qassam Rocket is manufactured by flue makers, as they can roll and tack weld steel.
its propelled by sugar and silage or some shit so with nail triggers, and they also have burning kites.
Israel has Lockheed F-35 Lightning stealth fighter bombers, burning 28 gallons of fuel per minute at hover.
Air to Air refuelling KC-135 tankers.
18th biggest military supplier in the world keeping guard on Middle East affairs via oil since 67.
Special Relationship.
oil in wrong country
any questions?