Social ⚔️ Palestine, Israel war.
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With this conflict I would want to support the side that prioritizes avoiding casualties in civilians, especially children. Neither are doing that so both are equally at fault.
On the same point, can anybody name an actual leader in the west, take WW2, can you compare Sunak to Churchill or Biden to FDR, all are driven by ideology and/or donors.
On the same point, can anybody name an actual leader in the west, take WW2, can you compare Sunak to Churchill or Biden to FDR, all are driven by ideology and/or donors.
Because of this I take Israeli info “ with a grain of salt”.
Theres always the
en.wikipedia.org
to take into consideration……
Theres always the
Ben Gurion Canal Project - Wikipedia
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I’m glad NZ has banned searching for gas… keep the target off our back.
Or if it’s still there untouched, does it make us more of a target???
It doesn’t add up.
Senior US lawmaker says Egypt warned Israel 3 days before onslaught
By AFP
11 October 2023, 6:19 pm 8
“We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,” Republican Michael McCaul tells reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing for lawmakers on the crisis.
“I don’t want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given,” he says. “I think the question was at what level.”
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly denied that he was warned by Egypt’s head of intelligence about Hamas’s plans before the onslaught.
http:///www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/senior-us-lawmaker-says-egypt-warned-israel-3-days-before-onslaught/
Senior US lawmaker says Egypt warned Israel 3 days before onslaught
By AFP
11 October 2023, 6:19 pm 8
“We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,” Republican Michael McCaul tells reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing for lawmakers on the crisis.
“I don’t want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given,” he says. “I think the question was at what level.”
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly denied that he was warned by Egypt’s head of intelligence about Hamas’s plans before the onslaught.
http:///www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/senior-us-lawmaker-says-egypt-warned-israel-3-days-before-onslaught/
Another big day for civilian casualties.
A UN school Al-Fakhoura in the city of Jabalia (Northern Gaza) was hit over night by Israeli airstrikes. The school was being used as a shelter for many of the displaced.
Whole rooms of people dead.
A UN school Al-Fakhoura in the city of Jabalia (Northern Gaza) was hit over night by Israeli airstrikes. The school was being used as a shelter for many of the displaced.
Whole rooms of people dead.
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Most international conflict we tend to pick a natural side which taints our view.
This one I don’t personally have a link to either side and it really highlights how backwards and barbaric war is.
I honestly don’t think either side can live together in the same area. There seems no feasible outcome where they share the land.
Lots of posts about how bad either side is acting but to me, more important is what’s the long term solution? Unless that’s sorted this will keep going on repeat on forever…
Has Israel decided that short term international condemnation is acceptable to solve the problem for the long term? Genocide? Forced depopulation?
This one I don’t personally have a link to either side and it really highlights how backwards and barbaric war is.
I honestly don’t think either side can live together in the same area. There seems no feasible outcome where they share the land.
Lots of posts about how bad either side is acting but to me, more important is what’s the long term solution? Unless that’s sorted this will keep going on repeat on forever…
Has Israel decided that short term international condemnation is acceptable to solve the problem for the long term? Genocide? Forced depopulation?
Muslims and Jews historically DID live in the region peacefully.
The problem is the immigrant Jewish population who had been displaced and refused to live under Arab rule. So they went about exterminating the local Arab population and driving the rest out.
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My heart goes out to the children, All the rest can get stuffed!
A 2 state solution will never work... The rest of the world just don't get it and sometimes poke their noses in where it don't belong.... the Jews have been offering that solution for decades the Palestinians have always said no... do your research. Ever wondered why the Palestinians got booted out of Kuwait Jordan Lebanon and why Arab nations don't want them?
Arafat PlO Hamas all of them never wanted peace in any country.... yesterday, now or tomorrow... Seeing innocent civilians caught up in the middle is awful. I think the obvious answer dare I say it is a 1 state solution something I guess no one really wants to hear...
Arafat PlO Hamas all of them never wanted peace in any country.... yesterday, now or tomorrow... Seeing innocent civilians caught up in the middle is awful. I think the obvious answer dare I say it is a 1 state solution something I guess no one really wants to hear...
I’ve heard people say that arafat and hamas were recognised by israel in order to justify aggression towards palestine, I’ve also heard of arabs happier in israel than in palestine because of hamas. I don’t know enough about it on that side of things to really make comment but the images in this are beyond comprehension. I don’t believe all palestinians are supporters of hamas and that’s how they’re being being treated, has the world expected them to rise up over hamas? If so, those being slaughtered were in a lose lose situation, they were either going to be slaughtered by hamas or be slaughtered by israel as they are. The closest I’ve seen of these images is that committed by the nazis and I find it ironic that those committing them are the victims in that disgraceful chapter. I keep seeing that any solidarity with palestine means support for hamas and I don’t believe that to be the case, many are just as disgusted by the attack on israel and the hostages taken but where israel is taking this isn’t right.
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What I find interesting is the calls for a ceasefire.
I always thought a ceasefire was a temporary stopping of hostilities agreed to by both parties in a conflict.
In that case, if either Israel or Hamas don't want to stop firing on the other, can there be a ceasefire because one party hasn't agreed to it? Or is this case different since one side in the armed forces of a government while the other is the fighters for an organisation and it's only up to Israel to stop fighting?
If Israel was to stop it's advance and withdraw its troops from Palestine, does that count as a ceasefire?
I just wonder what people marching calling for a ceasefire actually mean when they are marching for one.
I always thought a ceasefire was a temporary stopping of hostilities agreed to by both parties in a conflict.
In that case, if either Israel or Hamas don't want to stop firing on the other, can there be a ceasefire because one party hasn't agreed to it? Or is this case different since one side in the armed forces of a government while the other is the fighters for an organisation and it's only up to Israel to stop fighting?
If Israel was to stop it's advance and withdraw its troops from Palestine, does that count as a ceasefire?
I just wonder what people marching calling for a ceasefire actually mean when they are marching for one.
An interesting take by a political journalist on NewstalkZB today
A left leaner supports Palestine
A right leaner supports Israel
How does that suggestion align with your leanings?
A left leaner supports Palestine
A right leaner supports Israel
How does that suggestion align with your leanings?
Thing is, there was a cease fire for 17 years until Hamas broke it on Oct 7 ..
Hamas is losing now and Hezbollah and others haven't jumped in as probably expected (US carrier group deterent)
Israel want the hostages back but I wouldn't be surprised if most of them are dead now. If so then why offer only a few?
This war has backfired for Hamas, exposed the brutal attack to start with then using human shields all falls on them...
By the way when reporters go live on TV in Gaza what you don't see are the Hamas gunman off camera making sure those reporters don't favour Israel in any way..
Hamas is losing now and Hezbollah and others haven't jumped in as probably expected (US carrier group deterent)
Israel want the hostages back but I wouldn't be surprised if most of them are dead now. If so then why offer only a few?
This war has backfired for Hamas, exposed the brutal attack to start with then using human shields all falls on them...
By the way when reporters go live on TV in Gaza what you don't see are the Hamas gunman off camera making sure those reporters don't favour Israel in any way..
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Lol, Gaza has been under blockade for 17 years. A cease fire??? They are caged in. Israel controls what goes in an out of Gaza. You haven't got a clue.
There has been constant ongoing settler violence in the West Bank for decades. With 500,000 Jewish settlers now occupying property in the West Bank.
The Palestinians are under occupation and apartheid like conditions.
A cease fire you say?
Palestinian casualties this year, prior to Oct 7.
Total: 237
45 Children.
6 Women.
United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - occupied Palestinian territory | Data on casualties
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2023 marks deadliest year on record for children in the occupied West Bank - occupied Palestinian territory
News and Press Release in English on occupied Palestinian territory about Protection and Human Rights; published on 18 Sep 2023 by Save the Children
Israel's Occupation: 50 Years of Dispossession
Mass human rights violations during the 50-year occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip have devastated the lives of millions of Palestinians.
www.amnesty.org
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Have you been there, I have ... Gaza is a nice place, so are the people, welcoming to foreigners and like to fleece them for tourist dollars... but not so much Jews...as for blockades it just normal border controls... around 30 to 40k Palestians cross the border each day to go to work in Israel and they can freely wander around as they please ... this wars stopped all that now ... who's to blame for that..
It's their extremist idealist leaders that cause all the trouble ... I just feel sad for the people on both sides of the border none of them deserve this...
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