Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[miket12]

The privatisation of NZ Health continues apace from this corrupt neoliberal ideological far right government.

My statement is 100% factual.

Health NZ under fire for secrecy over private hospital contracts

The public deserve answers says a hospital trust chair says, as Health NZ refuses to say how much it's paying.

www.rnz.co.nz

How long do you think waiting list should get if private hospitals didn't do elective surgeries? How many heart and cancer operations do you think should be put off so the public hospital theaters can be used for hip or stomach stappling operations being sent to private hospitals? Tough questions I'm glad I don't need to answer.

In a perfect world, it would all take place in public hospitals but governments (especially the last and this one) seem to intent on mucking around with the health system (i.e. dis-establishing DHB's and then re-establishing them) and massively underfunding areas to suit their voter base.

Back in the days of Helen Clark, my dad was sent to a private hospital to receive a triple bypass after he had a heart attack and was firstly admitted into Middlemore. Most of his recovery was at the private hospital post-surgery until he was transferred back to Greenlane. The silly old bugger was supposed to be on bed rest but got up, unplugged his monitoring equipment, pushed that across the room and then his bed and plugged himself back in. Why? Because the other side of the room had a view of One Tree Hill and he's original side was only looking at other buildings. As they say... "They don't make them like they used too!!!"

Disclosure.... my wife had both her two cancer operations and most of her chemo done privately paid for by a work-based health insurance scheme and the remainer of her chemo and radiotherapy through the public system. Her surgeons worked exclusively in the private system (St Marks Breast Centre) while the oncologists worked both in the public and private systems. She was discharged quite quickly from the private hospitals because the insurance would only cover it to a certain point while other women she knows of with similar cancers stayed longer in hospitals through the public system.

 

[Worried2Death]

Oh so that makes it all right now .... As I said I was replying to what he said, stop making excuses you know exactly what he was referring to

He was inferring that māori were stone age primitives with no plumbing, so we should all be grateful to the Romans.

 

[Kaos A.D.]

He was inferring that māori were stone age primitives with no plumbing, so we should all be grateful to the Romans.

Oh how convenient... So just a little dig at māori that we should all be grateful for being colonized or we would still be living in huts with no central water heating... So how often is this little colonizer trope going to come up, when you have nothing else to offer

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

He was inferring that māori were stone age primitives with no plumbing, so we should all be grateful to the Romans.

They were resourceful however - kaitangata was a good source of protein
.

 

[Worried2Death]

They were resourceful however - kaitangata was a good source of protein
.

You are what you eat

 

[Kaos A.D.]

You are what you eat

meat and three veg

 

[MrFrankWhite]

so are māori supposed to kiss colonial butt for the rest of our existence, weve fought and died for this country in two world wars, so whats your problem? want more groveling is that it?... most māori just want to get on with life not be run down just because you have a problem with a minor political party....

Dont know what grovelling has to do with anything. And I agree, getting on with life rather than obsessing over grievances would be good for all kiwis.

and aint you some african decendent? maybe look at your own past and do your own colonial groveling .... roman plumbing? wtf is that

Yes and see the point above. I mention roman plumbing because they were building indoor plumbing ie sewerage systems 1700 years ago before your (im assuming) ancestors even arrived in NZ and right around the time my ancestors entered the iron age.

 

[Worried2Death]

Dont know what grovelling has to do with anything. And I agree, getting on with life rather than obsessing over grievances would be good for all kiwis.

Yes and see the point above. I mention roman plumbing because they were building indoor plumbing ie sewerage systems 1700 years ago before your (im assuming) ancestors even arrived in NZ and right around the time my ancestors entered the iron age.

Some say those lead pipes drove the ruling classes insane and caused the downfall of the empire, but apart from that you gotta hand it to them.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

He was inferring that māori were stone age primitives with no plumbing, so we should all be grateful to the Romans.

I wasnt inferring the first part, that's historical fact. māori were Neolithic in civilizational development prior to colonisation. Not sure why that could possibly be offensive. My people pretty much invented African slavery, it is what it is.

 

[Worried2Death]

I wasnt inferring the first part, that's historical fact. māori were Neolithic in civilizational development prior to colonisation. Not sure why that could possibly be offensive. My people pretty much invented African slavery, it is what it is.

Pretty sure my people invented the one true God, but they may have appropriated the idea from some other tribe of monotheists, who knows.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Pretty sure my people invented the one true God, but they may have appropriated the idea from some other tribe of monotheists.

so either responsible for the death of billions, or responsible for saving billions (if we want to play the grievance game )

 

[MaybeTop8]

How long do you think waiting list should get if private hospitals didn't do elective surgeries? How many heart and cancer operations do you think should be put off so the public hospital theaters can be used for hip or stomach stappling operations being sent to private hospitals? Tough questions I'm glad I don't need to answer.

In a perfect world, it would all take place in public hospitals but governments (especially the last and this one) seem to intent on mucking around with the health system (i.e. dis-establishing DHB's and then re-establishing them) and massively underfunding areas to suit their voter base.

Back in the days of Helen Clark, my dad was sent to a private hospital to receive a triple bypass after he had a heart attack and was firstly admitted into Middlemore. Most of his recovery was at the private hospital post-surgery until he was transferred back to Greenlane. The silly old bugger was supposed to be on bed rest but got up, unplugged his monitoring equipment, pushed that across the room and then his bed and plugged himself back in. Why? Because the other side of the room had a view of One Tree Hill and he's original side was only looking at other buildings. As they say... "They don't make them like they used too!!!"

Disclosure.... my wife had both her two cancer operations and most of her chemo done privately paid for by a work-based health insurance scheme and the remainer of her chemo and radiotherapy through the public system. Her surgeons worked exclusively in the private system (St Marks Breast Centre) while the oncologists worked both in the public and private systems. She was discharged quite quickly from the private hospitals because the insurance would only cover it to a certain point while other women she knows of with similar cancers stayed longer in hospitals through the public system.

There is a deliberate targeted strategy by the current government of ACT and National to privatise as much as possible in their tenure. Agree, that includes massive underfunding, which is what Lester Levy set out to do. Most people I know who have been in the hospitals have been well looked after, but I've witnessed chaos too, and huge pressure to move people on as they need to free up beds.

Honestly, we're into our 50th year of neoliberalism, as I sometimes do, I know where I place my blame.

Glad to hear your wife is doing okay, that sounds very tough.

 

[Kaos A.D.]

Dont know what grovelling has to do with anything. And I agree, getting on with life rather than obsessing over grievances would be good for all kiwis.

Yes and see the point above. I mention roman plumbing because they were building indoor plumbing ie sewerage systems 1700 years ago before your (im assuming) ancestors even arrived in NZ and right around the time my ancestors entered the iron age.

Yes we know what you were getting at with the roman plumbing.... But c'mon you know exactly what you were doing with the dog whistle colonizer trope.. I've seen you use it before, It's lazy... Most māori do get on with there life, but again you make a broad stroke, that all māori are obsessed with grievance which is bullshit, don't throw all māori under the bus just because you disagree with a small minority.

I tell you now, most my whanau, friends family around me don't even talk or care about this grievance that you speak of... I see you guys on here more obsessed about that tiny fraction of māori then I do

The grovelling was to do with, expecting māori always having to say, yes sir, thanks sir, three bags full sir, to our colonizers saving us from our mudhuts and grass skirts... As you said time to move on and find a better argument...

those damn bloody hori's better know there place in this here 21st century

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The grovelling was to do with, expecting māori always having to say, yes sir, thanks sir, three bags full sir, to our colonizers saving us from our mudhuts and grass skirts... As you said time to move on and find a better argument...

those damn bloody hori's better know there place in this here 21st century

I hold the view that primitive indigenous cultures aren't special by virtue of being primitive. Māori, Aboriginal, Native American, African, it doesn't matter which.

 

[MaybeTop8]

Yes we know what you were getting at with the roman plumbing.... But c'mon you know exactly what you were doing with the dog whistle colonizer trope.. I've seen you use it before, It's lazy... Most māori do get on with there life, but again you make a broad stroke, that all māori are obsessed with grievance which is bullshit, don't throw all māori under the bus just because you disagree with a small minority.

I tell you now, most my whanau, friends family around me don't even talk or care about this grievance that you speak of... I see you guys on here more obsessed about that tiny fraction of māori then I do

The grovelling was to do with, expecting māori always having to say, yes sir, thanks sir, three bags full sir, to our colonizers saving us from our mudhuts and grass skirts... As you said time to move on and find a better argument...

those damn bloody hori's better know there place in this here 21st century

Pure Frank bigotry in action. He knows exactly what he's doing.

 

[Worried2Death]

I hold the view that primitive indigenous cultures aren't special by virtue of being primitive. Māori, Aboriginal, Native American, African, it doesn't matter which.

Who's claiming it's a virtue though?

 

[Kaos A.D.]

I hold the view that primitive indigenous cultures aren't special by virtue of being primitive. Māori, Aboriginal, Native American, African, it doesn't matter which.

I dont care if you think they special or not, we aint here for you.... also sounds like you are the one thats governed by the colonizers

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Don’t make me tap the sign.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I dont care if you think they special or not, we aint here for you.... also sounds like you are the one thats governed by the colonizers

We are like 3 posts away from “We waz kings”

 

[Brightman]

don't throw all māori under the bus just because you disagree with a small minority.

When I see the antics of MPs' from the māori party I've parliament or the massive financial gains from yeah settlements to iwi who are registered as charities or even worse the privilege to free bowel screening at age 50 based on skin colour while others wait 10 more years to see if healthcare can beat cancer to the finish line..

it's little wonder there are people who feel this way