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The thread centers on New Zealand's upcoming election, primarily debating the economic management and policy differences between the center-left Labour government and center-right National/ACT opposition. Key criticisms target Labour's fiscal stewardship, citing ballooning government expenditure #7#272, housing unaffordability, and unfulfilled promises like KiwiBuild and dental care expansion #16#12. A user #7 highlighted Labour's annual 9% spending growth versus 1.5% under previous governments, arguing this fueled inflation. National's tax-cut policy faced scrutiny over funding gaps and legality, with user #215 questioning Luxon's reliance on "trust me" assurances.
Leadership competence emerged as a critical theme, particularly in later posts. Luxon drew heavy criticism after a contentious interview where he struggled to defend policy details #194#199#211, while Willis faced backlash for her economic credentials. Hipkins garnered fleeting praise for articulation but was ultimately seen as representing poor governmental outcomes #45#119. A trusted user #308 presented expert economic analysis contradicting Treasury optimism. Infrastructure issues—like Wellington's water crisis and the dental school staffing shortage—were cited as examples of systemic mismanagement #235#12. Notable policy debates included road-user charges for EVs #220, immigration impacts on rents #299, and coalition scenarios involving NZ First #182#258. Early fringe discussions on candidates' rugby allegiances gave way to substantive policy critiques, culminating in grim Treasury forecasts discussed in posts #271#304#308. User #168 also revealed concerns about Labour rushing regulatory changes to entrench policies pre-election.

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Economic Policies, Housing Crisis, Leadership Competence

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Hamas takes foreign advisors and fighters. If the virtue signalers cared half as much as they pretend too, they would be over there fighting. But that takes courage of ones convictions and a sense of selflessness.
 

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What an utterly utterly stupid reply.

I guess politicians shouldn't have spoken out in 1981 or keeping NZ nuclear free or any number of international issues that the good people of NZ may feel strongly about. Yes making public statement on a murderous regime is leadership. It's also what her constitutes think.

What are the government doing about the "despicable abhorrent crime against our own children" you're all sanctimonious about all of a sudden. Nothing. In fact making the lives worse for their parents...
Not a stupid reply at all. I'm surprised someone of your intelligence has taken it that way.

I was replying to a post claiming leadership and integrity. I'm simply saying I'm not seeing that from her about issues that she would actually have to do something about. Of course we have a voice on the international stage. Get thrown out of parliament for the rest of the week on this issue though doesn't scream leadership and integrity. More like petulance.

You are right though, that the Government need to do more to help the lives of those who are more likely to transgress in this way. Certainly isn't a silver bullet and we have seen that just throwing money after money doesn't work, in fact it makes it worse. I'm pleased that we are making much needed overdue changes to Education. That is the first step.

I'm not sanctimonious at all about this . If you had taken notice of my posts previously I have covered the issues about our own violent crimes against our children numerous times.
 
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Ummm. I'm pretty sure you'll find that the Green party are speaking up very strongly about all the things you've mentioned, you just don't pay attention to their output. The Greens ARE strong leaders, you just don't want to listen. I've seen many an exaggerated outrage, even a lynch mob on here from those on the right and far right about the Greens, and I expect that will continue.

You've clearly got some anger issues, sorry about that. The genocide in Palestine has everything to do with all of us.

The fact that you choose to call it "trending" and attempt to belittle in the process is your issue.

Yeah, Chloe is the left. So am I. This is who we are. Get over it and show some humanity for a change.

At least we're honest about who we are.
So, Chloe's side kick was the minister outside cabinet for the prevention of family and sexual violence and also the Associate minister for housing in the last Govt. How did that go? Leaders my arse.

Agree with Inruin, don't hear much wailing, gnashing of teeth and chanting; From the River to the Sea, we will set our Children free? Bloody disgrace the amount of violence against children in this country. Pretty trendy to wear the keffiyeh though and mouth off about others.

Give Marama her due, at least she went over there. Chloe could have hitched a ride with Greta.
 
I thought you were center. At least we have cut through the charade you were staging, finally.

Think you might look to the Green Party and their leader when it comes to anger issues.

And I've definitely been listening. I've been listening very closely.

Interesting you use the words exaggerated outrage. If there was ever a phrase to sum up the Green party that would be it. You mistake this for humanity and assume anyone else doesn't have any. That's your issue.
What charade is that? Is reading comprehension not your thing?

Man you lot are weirdos sometimes.

The conservative right and far right are on the wrong side of history and humanity, regardless of how long the right remain ascendant in this current cycle, that I freely admit I may not see the end of in my lifetime.

The acceleration towards authoritarianism, isolation, fascism, misogyny, racism, the disinformation and lying, the concentration of wealth, and yes the genocide in Palestine - all, ALL the right or those of the that persuasion.

And it needs all of us, especially those on the right who have integrity to speak up about this, to push back.

Some of us who are old enough have parents, certainly grandparents, that lived through the fascism of the second world war, of which there are strong echoes today. I know what mine would say, they'd be horrified.
 
So, Chloe's side kick was the minister outside cabinet for the prevention of family and sexual violence and also the Associate minister for housing in the last Govt. How did that go? Leaders my arse.

Agree with Inruin, don't hear much wailing, gnashing of teeth and chanting; From the River to the Sea, we will set our Children free? Bloody disgrace the amount of violence against children in this country. Pretty trendy to wear the keffiyeh though and mouth off about others.

Give Marama her due, at least she went over there. Chloe could have hitched a ride with Greta.
Look at how shallow and bitter you lot are.
 
So, Chloe's side kick was the minister outside cabinet for the prevention of family and sexual violence and also the Associate minister for housing in the last Govt. How did that go? Leaders my arse.

Agree with Inruin, don't hear much wailing, gnashing of teeth and chanting; From the River to the Sea, we will set our Children free? Bloody disgrace the amount of violence against children in this country. Pretty trendy to wear the keffiyeh though and mouth off about others.

Give Marama her due, at least she went over there. Chloe could have hitched a ride with Greta.
By the way, how much do you and Inruin speak up about violence to children in this country? Anything?

What are you guys doing? Anything?
 
Not a stupid reply at all. I'm surprised someone of your intelligence has taken it that way.

I was replying to a post claiming leadership and integrity. I'm simply saying I'm not seeing that from her about issues that she would actually have to do something about. Of course we have a voice on the international stage. Get thrown out of parliament for the rest of the week on this issue though doesn't scream leadership and integrity. More like petulance.

You are right though, that the Government need to do more to help the lives of those who are more likely to transgress in this way. Certainly isn't a silver bullet and we have seen that just throwing money after money doesn't work, in fact it makes it worse. I'm pleased that we are making much needed overdue changes to Education. That is the first step.

I'm not sanctimonious at all about this . If you had taken notice of my posts previously I have covered the issues about our own violent crimes against our children numerous times.
Well, no one else in Parliament has even remotely spoken up about it, because there's a narrative that is highly constrained that the mainstream doesn't dare step outside, and utter bullshit.
 
By the way, how much do you and Inruin speak up about violence to children in this country? Anything?

What are you guys doing? Anything?
Are you seriously trying to defend a politician in an elected position of power by comparing them to an ordinary citizen?

And actually, yeah I do a bit. Could I do more? Sure. I know that Chloe (and the rest of the politicians) can certainly do a hell of a lot more than they are currently.
 
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What an utterly utterly stupid reply.

I guess politicians shouldn't have spoken out in 1981 or keeping NZ nuclear free or any number of international issues that the good people of NZ may feel strongly about. Yes making public statement on a murderous regime is leadership. It's also what her constitutes think.

What are the government doing about the "despicable abhorrent crime against our own children" you're all sanctimonious about all of a sudden. Nothing. In fact making the lives worse for their parents...
Nothing wrong with speaking out but there is a fine line of credibility with many of these issues. I recall a number of high profile Aotearoans marching against the tour and also being on the Flotilla that went up to Mururoa to protest.
Both significant issues and in our back yard.
The middle east is a far more complex situation which bigger brains than mine or yours haven't been able to solve. I l

I would be happy for Chloe and Co to protest the Palestinian situation if it was balanced on the basis that both sides are as bad as each other.
 
By the way, how much do you and Inruin speak up about violence to children in this country? Anything?

What are you guys doing? Anything?
Go back and have a look at my posts on this very subject. It is an issue my wife and I take very seriously and both of us spend a fair amount of time with Family Violence is not OK (In Taranaki) Unfortunately we are the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff
 
Go back and have a look at my posts on this very subject. It is an issue my wife and I take very seriously and both of us spend a fair amount of time with Family Violence is not OK (In Taranaki) Unfortunately we are the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff
Careful mate, that won't meet the narrative of not showing any humanity.
 
Look at how shallow and bitter you lot are.
I was going to use the funny emoji but you wouldn't get it. In fact I don't really think you are capable of any informed debate.
Just a thought for you discuss round the dinner table tonight.

I'm off out for some pasta so don't reply until after 8 when I'll be home and will have had a couple Chianti's.

Sorry JuJu, team list night and I had the shakes.
 
Nothing wrong with speaking out but there is a fine line of credibility with many of these issues. I recall a number of high profile Aotearoans marching against the tour and also being on the Flotilla that went up to Mururoa to protest.
Both significant issues and in our back yard.
The middle east is a far more complex situation which bigger brains than mine or yours haven't been able to solve. I l

I would be happy for Chloe and Co to protest the Palestinian situation if it was balanced on the basis that both sides are as bad as each other.
But it's not both sides are as bad as each other is it. Again that's a right wing mainstream narrative that feeds into the entire perpetuation of Israel's dominance in the region that has now spilled over into actual genocide.

And believe me I'm not pro Hamas or any proxy militant occupier. There really, really, isn't an equivalence.
 
It's a festering sore in this country and people are afraid to speak out about it due to the prime protagonists being māori.
It's interesting that there is a growing number of Pacifica now too adding to the predominantly lower socio economic māori protagonists. They tend to be second or third generation NZ born Islanders. There is a definite split even within the different ethnicity that make up the stats. Certainly not trying to stereotype a race because there is a very high proportion of māori for example who are successful, great parents, caring family etc I do think it's become more than a festering sore. It's quite often an open wound visible to many. My family are heavily involved in education, most of them work in low decile areas and see first hand the issues out there. I believe education is the biggest opportunity to change things for the better but it's going to take generations to see meaningful, tangible results I think and one of the bigger issues is the lack of expectations or aspirations from the immediate family and getting kids to school. Perhaps that's why politicians put it in the too hard basket? It doesn't provide a nice little positive sound bite. Mostly it's whoever is in says it was the last lot while the opposition say the current government aren't doing anything/ enough. I've had health issues recently but prior to that I helped my wife facilitate parenting workshops through the Childcare she worked for. Small group of parents you are connecting with but it all makes a contribution - for the record I wasn't the person leading the sessions, just helped to organize them and offer whatever help I could. Also did some football coaching at our local club. It's interesting the difference in individual kids just in the single team. I highly recommend any parents to involve their kids in organized sports as they grow up, for a variety of reasons
 
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