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wizard of Tauranga said:
That’s a big step up in risk arming yourself. Hopefully it won’t go that way.

This will stop most of the kids because they won’t take that step and those kids won’t grow up doing it as adults.

We stopped police chases and everyone nobody stopped for police anymore. Started chasing them again and the stats went back down.

You need deterrents don’t you?
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I hope this doesn't happen also but the latest trends have been away from ramraids and more towards stabbings.
Not a good sign
 
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wizard of Tauranga said:
As I understand it this idea came from a grassroots small business dairy association.

Soon they will all have baseball bats behind the counter. Whack a few teenagers and the youth crime will go back to how it used to be in the good old days when there were consequence
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Your definition of good old days is? What does that represent to you exactly Wiz?
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
As society becomes more complex and regimented, while not enabling people who follow the rules to get ahead, we will have more and more people turning to this sort of stuff.

Things like making drivers licensing impossible to pass without 100 hours of driving lessons so people don’t bother. labour recognised this making driving tests free.

We have excessive dog licensing fees; excessive safety standards for houses and cars. Ok when you can afford it but those that can’t just turn their back on the rules.

Best practice and making the public pay for it works well until people can’t afford it and turn against the system.
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As the effects of 50 years of neoliberalism intensify, individualist drones believing the right, far right and screeds of disinformation multiply and communities and social structure breaks down as a result, a result of deliberate campaigns from the right, we will have more and more people turning to this stuff.
 
FormerlyJamesW said:
I could imagine.

But it's your duty as a parent to make sure this gets taught, right?

100 hours, as a 'recommended' seems like not a lot, in the context of such an important life long skill to have.
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My oldest wanted his mother to teach him how to drive. So, against my better judgement I said ok, go for it. And he did ok but she taught him how she drives, which I knew would happen. Didn't talk about planning the trip, scanning ahead and not just looking at the car in front of him, checking his shoulder and not just relying on the mirror etc. He failed his first attempt at getting his restricted. I jumped in the car with him and got him to take me for a drive and I wouldn't have passed him either. I think many learner drivers aren't ready for driving as soon as they think they are, in a rush to get their license rather than getting everything set. They can drive but don't understand driving if that makes sense. I ended up putting in a fair bit of time with him, unlearning a coupe of things and reinforcing good habits. Passed easily the next time. He went on a defensive driving course and got time taken off for his full license. He is an excellent driver now.
 
MaybeTop8 said:
As the effects of 50 years of neoliberalism intensify, individualist drones believing the right, far right and screeds of disinformation multiply and communities and social structure breaks down as a result, a result of deliberate campaigns from the right, we will have more and more people turning to this stuff.
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Ahh yes, because individualism is at the heart of socialism and communism now isnt it. :ROFLMAO:
 
MaybeTop8 said:
a result of deliberate campaigns from the right, we will have more and more people turning to this stuff.
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Except it peaked under Ardern during covid.

In my experience we need to slowly and steadily move to a more complex and futuristic society. It just needs to be slow enough so people don’t burn out and disengage with the struggling people pushed over the edge.

Both sides left and right take us towards a safer and more complex ‘best practice’ society
 
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MaybeTop8 said:
Your definition of good old days is? What does that represent to you exactly Wiz?
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to big a topic to broach here but I would sum it up as a kiwi number 8 wire practically mentality based on common sense and a can do attitude.

It’s deteriorated with nanny state; overdone H&S; can’t discipline kids, unattainable best safety practice standards; etc. We’ve choked ourselves into one of the most expensive places in the world to live and nothing gets done at the pace or quantity we need. More and more are dissatisfied with how middle NZ can’t get ahead (hence your neoliberalism bent) and giving up on traditional organised society which isn’t working for them..
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Except it peaked under Ardern during covid.

In my experience we need to slowly and steadily move to a more complex and futuristic society. It just needs to be slow enough so people don’t burn out and disengage with the struggling people pushed over the edge.

Both sides left and right take us towards a safer and more complex ‘best practice’ society
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No, disinformation has been a long term campaign of the right and malicious actors like putin for a long time now
 
MaybeTop8 said:
No, disinformation has been a long term campaign of the right and malicious actors like putin for a long time now
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Right…

Half those sovereign citizen clowns don’t listen to news or take in much info.

They’ve been screwed over by society, can’t get ahead and if we have a top 1%; these guys are usually the bottom 1%.

They are a product of our society. They are opting out and want to be left alone.

Putin doesn’t get them driving in unregistered; unwarranted cars with no drivers license.
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Right…

Half those sovereign citizen clowns don’t listen to news or take in much info.

They’ve been screwed over by society, can’t get ahead and if we have a top 1%; these guys are usually the bottom 1%.

They are a product of our society. They are opting out and want to be left alone.

Putin doesn’t get them driving in unregistered; unwarranted cars with no drivers license.
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You're way off wiz.
 
miket12 said:
Interesting to see what happens with the election term possibly changing from three to four years.
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Suits politicians not the NZ public.

They give an unpopular ideological push for the first half the term and then suddenly start being populist and hope we forget. The longer they have between elections the more unpopular stuff they will do.

Annual elections would keep them honest 🤣
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Suits politicians not the NZ public.

They give an unpopular ideological push for the first half the term and then suddenly start being populist and hope we forget. The longer they have between elections the more unpopular stuff they will do.

Annual elections would keep them honest 🤣
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I am sure it would take a hell of a lot more than that Wiz.
Cutting off their tongues still wouldn't change anything. 😉
 
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