Does he need to put on weight?
He's a very similar body type to James Fisher Harris, although most of JFHs weight is in his biceps.
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He's a very similar body type to James Fisher Harris, although most of JFHs weight is in his biceps.
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I’m surprised how many people are leaving berry out.
The way he finished the season- especially that nz A game- I can’t see him missing out- hopefully get a full offseason in this time too.
He’s our right center for the next 5 years- lock it in fam.
The way he finished the season- especially that nz A game- I can’t see him missing out- hopefully get a full offseason in this time too.
He’s our right center for the next 5 years- lock it in fam.
Just rewatching the final v Broncos and while we were well beaten in the end, jeeze theres sooo many little moments in the game that we could have gone a different way.
After 30 min were down 24 - 12 but had missed 3 kicks at this point. There's 6 points gone begging.
RW then had his 3m pass that went forward to put them up to 30 points which shouldn't have been counted.
Jackson Ford scoring off an offside position - better execution could have resulted in a try. If the RW forward pass didn't happen and Jacko scored that, were 24 all heading in to the 60th minute. Literally anyones ball game at this point.
Pompey being sin binned for a dumb play, resulted in a try to Make later on.
There was also one fairly poor tackle early on by DWZ that resulted in a try to their winger (Capewell beat DWZ and passed to unmarked winger)
On a different night half of those things get reversed and it's a closer game.
Next year I hope were in a similar position against Penrith or Broncos etc, we've improved our team recruitment and experience wise while they've both lost some key players. If we improve 5-10% and they decline by 5% were a great chance I reckon.
After 30 min were down 24 - 12 but had missed 3 kicks at this point. There's 6 points gone begging.
RW then had his 3m pass that went forward to put them up to 30 points which shouldn't have been counted.
Jackson Ford scoring off an offside position - better execution could have resulted in a try. If the RW forward pass didn't happen and Jacko scored that, were 24 all heading in to the 60th minute. Literally anyones ball game at this point.
Pompey being sin binned for a dumb play, resulted in a try to Make later on.
There was also one fairly poor tackle early on by DWZ that resulted in a try to their winger (Capewell beat DWZ and passed to unmarked winger)
On a different night half of those things get reversed and it's a closer game.
Next year I hope were in a similar position against Penrith or Broncos etc, we've improved our team recruitment and experience wise while they've both lost some key players. If we improve 5-10% and they decline by 5% were a great chance I reckon.
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Discussion starter;
I seem to be one of the odd ones out in regards to picking Adam Pompey over Rocco Berry and having Bunty in my line up.
The Pompey v Berry issue is just a preference (experience), I’d be very happy with Rocco getting the right centre position come round one.
It’s the no Bunty (or Ale) that’s really got me scratching my head.
For the record, I don’t think Bunty is some “must have” gun that’s just gonna run a muck. But I also genuinely believe that we would have been more competitive against Penrith and Brisbane with him in our side. Haas and Carrigan ain’t blasting their way through him like they did with Jazz and Sironen. They’re not, for all his faults (there are plenty) he can at least defend well.
Although Brisbane were clearly the better team straight from kickoff, it was when our bench rotated on where I feel they really got on top.
A bench of Walker, Jazz, Sironen and Curran didn’t work, and frankly got crushed.
I just question if a bench consisting of Walker, Jazz and CHT would do better that’s all.
For me, despite all his heart (I’m a big fan). Jazz is the one who makes way, for Bunty or Ale. Or both…
They’re just bigger, especially Bunty. That’s it, that’s the reason I’d pick him. Walker is the only absolute must have for me. Maybe CHT.
Just asking. Why are you picking CHT/Lussick, Walker AND Jazz on the same bench?
No right or wrong answers, genuinely just asking.
I seem to be one of the odd ones out in regards to picking Adam Pompey over Rocco Berry and having Bunty in my line up.
The Pompey v Berry issue is just a preference (experience), I’d be very happy with Rocco getting the right centre position come round one.
It’s the no Bunty (or Ale) that’s really got me scratching my head.
For the record, I don’t think Bunty is some “must have” gun that’s just gonna run a muck. But I also genuinely believe that we would have been more competitive against Penrith and Brisbane with him in our side. Haas and Carrigan ain’t blasting their way through him like they did with Jazz and Sironen. They’re not, for all his faults (there are plenty) he can at least defend well.
Although Brisbane were clearly the better team straight from kickoff, it was when our bench rotated on where I feel they really got on top.
A bench of Walker, Jazz, Sironen and Curran didn’t work, and frankly got crushed.
I just question if a bench consisting of Walker, Jazz and CHT would do better that’s all.
For me, despite all his heart (I’m a big fan). Jazz is the one who makes way, for Bunty or Ale. Or both…
They’re just bigger, especially Bunty. That’s it, that’s the reason I’d pick him. Walker is the only absolute must have for me. Maybe CHT.
Just asking. Why are you picking CHT/Lussick, Walker AND Jazz on the same bench?
No right or wrong answers, genuinely just asking.
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My thinking for the pack is we've got 2 x prop and 1 x lock in the middle, so 240 minutes (3x80) worth of time to fill each game. Then there's the edge forwards, 2 x second rowers, who take up another 160 minutes (2x80). So 400 minutes all up each game.
Allowing for AFB, Tohu and Walker to play around 60 minutes each in the middle of the park. That takes up 180 minutes of the 240 middles minutes straight away.
Capewell will take 80 of the 160 minutes on the edge.
Barnett will stake a claim for at least 40 of the remaining 60 minutes in the middle.
With only 20 minutes remaining in the middle, Niukore will likely spend time jumping between the middle and the edge, possibly starting the first 20 in the middle, then having a spell before jumping out to the edge for the final 30 minutes of the game.
Ford gets the first 50 minutes on the edge, each game and will likely be replaced over the next couple of seasons by the young guns coming through.
But for the time being my lineup and interchanges would look like this.
Starting:
8 AFB
10 Niukore
11 Ford
12 Capewell
13 Tohu.
Walker for Niukore at 20 mins.
(Leaving Middles: 8 AFB, 10 Tohu, 13 Walker. Edge: 11 Ford, 12 Capewell on the field).
Barnett for AFB at 30 mins.
(Leaving Middles: 8 Barnett, 10 Tohu, 13 Walker. Edge: 11 Ford, 12 Capewell on the field).
AFB for Tohu and Niukore for Ford at 50 mins.
(Leaving Middles: 8 AFB, 10 Barnett, 13 Walker. Edge: 11 Niukore, 12 Capewell)
Tohu for Barnett at 70 minutes (option to replace walker instead for extra physicality in last 10).
(Leaving Middles: 8 AFB, 10 Tohu, 13 Walker. Edge: 11 Niukore, 12 Capewell).
I would also consider starting CHT at hooker and bringing Egan on after 20, the impact of Egan and Walker coming on together could ignite the game.
Allowing for AFB, Tohu and Walker to play around 60 minutes each in the middle of the park. That takes up 180 minutes of the 240 middles minutes straight away.
Capewell will take 80 of the 160 minutes on the edge.
Barnett will stake a claim for at least 40 of the remaining 60 minutes in the middle.
With only 20 minutes remaining in the middle, Niukore will likely spend time jumping between the middle and the edge, possibly starting the first 20 in the middle, then having a spell before jumping out to the edge for the final 30 minutes of the game.
Ford gets the first 50 minutes on the edge, each game and will likely be replaced over the next couple of seasons by the young guns coming through.
But for the time being my lineup and interchanges would look like this.
Starting:
8 AFB
10 Niukore
11 Ford
12 Capewell
13 Tohu.
Walker for Niukore at 20 mins.
(Leaving Middles: 8 AFB, 10 Tohu, 13 Walker. Edge: 11 Ford, 12 Capewell on the field).
Barnett for AFB at 30 mins.
(Leaving Middles: 8 Barnett, 10 Tohu, 13 Walker. Edge: 11 Ford, 12 Capewell on the field).
AFB for Tohu and Niukore for Ford at 50 mins.
(Leaving Middles: 8 AFB, 10 Barnett, 13 Walker. Edge: 11 Niukore, 12 Capewell)
Tohu for Barnett at 70 minutes (option to replace walker instead for extra physicality in last 10).
(Leaving Middles: 8 AFB, 10 Tohu, 13 Walker. Edge: 11 Niukore, 12 Capewell).
I would also consider starting CHT at hooker and bringing Egan on after 20, the impact of Egan and Walker coming on together could ignite the game.
This is not the perfect place for this analysis but it is close enough and I don't want to start a new thread.
It is Wrighty's 2024 line up analysis
In my 2023 line up analysis amidst some criticism for how crude my analysis was I predicted we would leak 150 less points simply by Ed Kosi being much improved from the nightmare he was in 2022 and more importantly replacing Walsh's ghastly defence with the best defensive fullback in the league CNK.
How well did my prediction do?
In 2023 we gave up 448 points compared to 700 the year before. We gave up 252 point less. Must have been Websters coaching as well as some of the factors I predicted.
Wrighty's 2024 analysis
The value I will use for a try is 5.5 points = 4 points plus 75% conversion rate
1) RTS replaces Williame in the squad and one of Berry/Pompey in the 13.
Prediction: RTS will improve the offence by 1 extra converted try every second game by either directly scoring, laying on a try assist, or creating space for others by drawing defenders marking up on him and leaving others free.
5.5 points X 24 games/2 = 66 more points on offence
2) Kurt Capewell for Curran
Prediction: Capewell will improve the offence by 1 extra converted try every 5th game
5.5 points X 24 games/5 = 26.4 more points on offence
3) CHT for Sironen
Prediction: CHT if he plays off the bench in Sironen's role will greatly improve our defence as Sironen was awful on D. Sironen had 40 missed tackles in 744 minutes played last season. That's the most misses per minutes played in the warriors in 2023. Maybe CHT misses 33% less. Sironen had 36 try causes. Predict CHT causes 33% less.
36*33%X5.5 points = 66 points less
Is a 16% improvement in offence and 14.7% improvement in defence possible? We are improving 3 spots out of 17 with considerable improvement in each spot. 3 out of 17 is 17% of team for what that is worth. What makes me feel comfortable about this prediction is that even if RTS contributes an added try every 3 games and not 2 games, there will be added scoreboard pressure and momentum from when he does score to snowball into more points overall and likewise analysis for defence.
The three guys we are acquiring have all played either test match or SOO. The players they replace will be developing NRL players who are yet to reach the stage of being NRL standard. So I hope we do see improvements in offence and defence of this magnitude/
Lastly, just like last year, this analysis is provided for entertainment value. Do not take it too seriously. It is to add to the content on the forum without claiming to be academically robust.
It is Wrighty's 2024 line up analysis
In my 2023 line up analysis amidst some criticism for how crude my analysis was I predicted we would leak 150 less points simply by Ed Kosi being much improved from the nightmare he was in 2022 and more importantly replacing Walsh's ghastly defence with the best defensive fullback in the league CNK.
How well did my prediction do?
In 2023 we gave up 448 points compared to 700 the year before. We gave up 252 point less. Must have been Websters coaching as well as some of the factors I predicted.
Wrighty's 2024 analysis
The value I will use for a try is 5.5 points = 4 points plus 75% conversion rate
1) RTS replaces Williame in the squad and one of Berry/Pompey in the 13.
Prediction: RTS will improve the offence by 1 extra converted try every second game by either directly scoring, laying on a try assist, or creating space for others by drawing defenders marking up on him and leaving others free.
5.5 points X 24 games/2 = 66 more points on offence
2) Kurt Capewell for Curran
Prediction: Capewell will improve the offence by 1 extra converted try every 5th game
5.5 points X 24 games/5 = 26.4 more points on offence
3) CHT for Sironen
Prediction: CHT if he plays off the bench in Sironen's role will greatly improve our defence as Sironen was awful on D. Sironen had 40 missed tackles in 744 minutes played last season. That's the most misses per minutes played in the warriors in 2023. Maybe CHT misses 33% less. Sironen had 36 try causes. Predict CHT causes 33% less.
36*33%X5.5 points = 66 points less
2023 | ||||
| Warriors | Storm | Broncos | Panthers | |
| For | 572 | 627 | 639 | 645 |
| Against | 448 | 459 | 425 | 312 |
| Wrighty's warriors prediction ceterus perebus | ||||
2024 | % Improvement | |||
| For | 664 | 16% | ||
| Against | 382 | 14.7% |
Is a 16% improvement in offence and 14.7% improvement in defence possible? We are improving 3 spots out of 17 with considerable improvement in each spot. 3 out of 17 is 17% of team for what that is worth. What makes me feel comfortable about this prediction is that even if RTS contributes an added try every 3 games and not 2 games, there will be added scoreboard pressure and momentum from when he does score to snowball into more points overall and likewise analysis for defence.
The three guys we are acquiring have all played either test match or SOO. The players they replace will be developing NRL players who are yet to reach the stage of being NRL standard. So I hope we do see improvements in offence and defence of this magnitude/
Lastly, just like last year, this analysis is provided for entertainment value. Do not take it too seriously. It is to add to the content on the forum without claiming to be academically robust.
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What i love in particular with that montage is the amount of multiple runners/options Shaun has to hit when he takes it to the line. Love the movement where he skips across and has both Berry and a second rower hitting an inside shoulder line hard, and at the same time Charnze is sweeping around the back for another option.....SJ then just picks the right option based on how the defence has reacted.......its such great shape and its so effective because yes to a point its structured but its still just playing whats in front of them which is why its so hard to defend........ and im glad theres no such thing as decoy runners anymore as everyone is a possible live target.
Every Shaun Johnson try assist of the 2023 season
NRL.com takes a look back at every Shaun Johnson try assist from the 2023 NRL Telstra Premiership seasonwww.nrl.com
Hope SJ has the same impact this year. Interesting in here he sets up 3 Pompey tries to 1 from Berry but so many assists for multiple players.
Credit has to go with Webby here as i remember pre season he alluded to "the key with Shaun is the movement he has off the ball around him". And weve seen in the past where we've soley relied upon the "just throw it to Shaun and hope he can pull something out of his arse" theory.
As for SJ himself its good to see the old dog still has enough in the tank to stand up or hold defence lines.....more subtle these days but after hes taken the ball to the line he still skips to the outside.....its only 1 or 2 steps but its still enough to get on the outside of his man and gets the edge defence to plant giving his outsides that smidgen more room to play with (which as we saw with someone like DWZ is all he needs), and this is why he didnt just lead the comp for try assists but also try involvements and linebreak involvements.
Plus with the ingrained Touch skills his periphials are just as good as ever being able to sum up at a glance how the defence has reacted and which runner he needs to hit (just another reason start your kids off in Touch peeps for the skills and vision they'll pick up early which will give them an edge when they take up the other codes)
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There's a few jokers in here surely.
Ali wasn't even that good yesterday. He has aggression and I think he's one for the future, but he didn't do anything that would of made Webby change any of his Rd 1 plans.
No way he's replacing Berry, who had a great 2nd half of 2023 and really cemented himself as a starter. Does all of the little things well and his attack came on towards the end of the year.
Deffo keeping that jersey warm for Berry, for now
Ali wasn't even that good yesterday. He has aggression and I think he's one for the future, but he didn't do anything that would of made Webby change any of his Rd 1 plans.
No way he's replacing Berry, who had a great 2nd half of 2023 and really cemented himself as a starter. Does all of the little things well and his attack came on towards the end of the year.
Deffo keeping that jersey warm for Berry, for now
You’d have to assume Tuaupiki. He deserves it and has been training in that position with the team for over a year now.
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Strap yourselves in, I think we're in for a bumper year! Webby has this team humming. You can see in the calmness and maturity in the first half performance over the weekend. They didn't show their hand, but they revealed just enough to get us all excited. There's not a weakness anywhere, and with RTS nailing down the left side and Capewell bringing discipline and a relentless work ethic to the right, the balance feels about perfect.
The squad is 98% selected for week one now, with probably just one bench position up for grabs - be it Jazz, Ale, or Bunty. Webby made it clear in his interview yesterday that RTS will absolutely be starting at left centre, so TT will shore up the back. And I suspect Lussick will likely spell Wayde for 20 or so each week, a learning from the rigours of last season where they pushed Egan's minutes way too hard. Egan's like a priced piece of porcelain ... don't break him! Meanwhile, Metcalf offers plenty at 6, not the least of which is a (slowly) improving kicking game which will take some heat off SJ and push the left edge to work as hard on the chase as the right always does.
The big conundrum facing Webby right now is how does he get Ali into the side? He can only be held back in NSW Cup for so long before he (and more likely his manager) will start asking questions about what his path looks like with Roger there for 3 years and Rocco still in his early 20s. I sense that Ali is a generational talent so it'd be devastating to lose him to a big spending Sydney club. But that's one for the two Andrews to figure out over the course of this season.
For now, I've never felt better about the club heading into week one. Between the coaching, the competitiveness within the squad, the hard-nosed pros we've got onboard, and the confidence they'd all have taken out of last year, I think we're a real shot. The only question will be whether we have the X factor to compete with the two grand finalists from last season who remain stacked with it.
The squad is 98% selected for week one now, with probably just one bench position up for grabs - be it Jazz, Ale, or Bunty. Webby made it clear in his interview yesterday that RTS will absolutely be starting at left centre, so TT will shore up the back. And I suspect Lussick will likely spell Wayde for 20 or so each week, a learning from the rigours of last season where they pushed Egan's minutes way too hard. Egan's like a priced piece of porcelain ... don't break him! Meanwhile, Metcalf offers plenty at 6, not the least of which is a (slowly) improving kicking game which will take some heat off SJ and push the left edge to work as hard on the chase as the right always does.
The big conundrum facing Webby right now is how does he get Ali into the side? He can only be held back in NSW Cup for so long before he (and more likely his manager) will start asking questions about what his path looks like with Roger there for 3 years and Rocco still in his early 20s. I sense that Ali is a generational talent so it'd be devastating to lose him to a big spending Sydney club. But that's one for the two Andrews to figure out over the course of this season.
For now, I've never felt better about the club heading into week one. Between the coaching, the competitiveness within the squad, the hard-nosed pros we've got onboard, and the confidence they'd all have taken out of last year, I think we're a real shot. The only question will be whether we have the X factor to compete with the two grand finalists from last season who remain stacked with it.
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Versatile and great value for money?
