NRL NRL Expansion

My attention is captured by this development. Here is CHAT GPTs comments.

If Balmain split with Wests and join the South Island Keas what can Balmain bring to the table in terms of a pathways juniors system vs what is owned by Wests. Who owns the Balmain/wests NSW cup team for example out of the two of them. What could Balmain offer the Keas in terms of Australian raised prospects.

ChatGPT said:​


The split between Balmain and Wests and a potential merger with the South Island Kea raises several questions about junior pathways, ownership of feeder teams, and player development. Here's how things might break down:

1. Junior Pathways System Comparison: Balmain vs. Wests

  • Balmain Pathways:
    • Historically, Balmain has a smaller junior district compared to Wests. Their base includes areas such as the Inner West suburbs of Sydney (Leichhardt, Drummoyne, and Rozelle).
    • The number of junior clubs and participants in the Balmain district has declined over the years, reflecting challenges in maintaining a robust junior system.
    • Balmain’s focus on rugby league at the grassroots level has been limited by its financial struggles, which might affect its ability to supply a consistent pool of NRL-caliber players.
  • Wests Pathways:
    • Wests has a much larger junior catchment area, including Campbelltown and the Macarthur region in Western Sydney.
    • These areas have a rich tradition of rugby league talent and a growing population, making it one of the stronger pathways for developing juniors in NSW.
    • Many successful NRL players, including those who played for the Wests Tigers, have come from this region.

2. Ownership of the NSW Cup Team

The Wests Tigers NSW Cup team is owned by the Wests Tigers joint venture rather than either faction independently. A split would likely require significant negotiation over the rights to this team:
  • If Wests assumes sole control of the joint venture's NSW Cup team: This would leave Balmain without an immediate presence in the second-tier competition, a significant disadvantage for any potential merger with the Kea.
  • If Balmain retains a share of the NSW Cup team or establishes a new one: They would need to source players and funding, which could be challenging given their smaller resource base.

3. What Balmain Could Offer the Kea

  • Heritage and Branding:
    • Balmain is a foundation club with a rich history dating back to 1908. The Balmain Tigers brand still holds emotional and historical value, which could be appealing to NRL fans in Australia and New Zealand.
    • Merging with Balmain could enhance the Kea's credibility and boost their chances of securing NRL approval, as linking with a legacy club like Balmain mirrors the Western Bears model.
  • Player Development Opportunities:
    • While Balmain has a smaller junior base, they could provide Australian-raised prospects by tapping into talent from Leichhardt Oval and surrounding areas.
    • Partnering with Kea could help both clubs create a cross-regional pathway for Australian and Kiwi juniors, with Balmain potentially funneling talent from Sydney to Christchurch for further development.
  • Fan Base and Sponsorships:
    • The Balmain Tigers maintain a dedicated fan base, particularly in Sydney's Inner West. This support could translate into sponsorship deals and merchandise sales to strengthen the Kea's financial position.

Challenges for Balmain

Balmain's limited junior base and financial struggles mean their contribution would lean more on legacy, branding, and fan engagement rather than a robust junior system. Wests, on the other hand, retains a stronger claim to junior development systems and the NSW Cup team.
If Balmain does join the Kea, they would need to develop strategies to bolster player development, perhaps by establishing partnerships with other clubs or creating new pathways in Christchurch and Sydney.
 
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I can see Riz's side of it after reading that from chat GPT. My initial enthusiasm was based on thinking the Kea might end up with an inbuilt Australian junior pathways feeder system.
 
I can see Riz's side of it after reading that from chat GPT. My initial enthusiasm was based on thinking the Kea might end up with an inbuilt Australian junior pathways feeder system.
My reaction was to your statement about opposing sides being in danger and our crowds being too intense, honestly the ignorance is overwhelming.
 
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My reaction was to your statement about opposing sides being in danger and our crowds being too intense, honestly the ignorance is overwhelming.
. Don't take my bait. Just on the wind up
 
Bruh. They can’t make it work currently and they both are based in Sydney.
Thal's a good point if they can't make a merger work with their next door neighbour seems unlikely they can with a NZ team.
 
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After the amount of disfunction with the Wests Tigers I'd advise everyone to stay away from a merger with either Balmain or Western Suburbs.

The Perth and North Sydney merger works a bit better as Norths have been trying to get back in to the NRL for 20 years and have conceded this would be more likely than as the Central Coast Bears. I believe the NRL may have also pushed this merger as well.

Norths were wanting a trial at North Sydney Oval and an NRL match in Sydney or North Sydney Oval. They would also have the feeder club in the NSW Cup. That scenario is a bit more manageable to me compared to a half Christchurch based side and a half Sydney based side.

Even then I could see some issues with the links to the old Sydney side. But it would still be better than this scenario.

I can see the Balmain side pushing for more games at Leichhardt Oval. The Sydney media already go on enough about the magic of the place. I can see the Christchurch side thinking their daft considering they have a new covered stadium.

I'd see this merger falling apart pretty quickly. Balmain want to keep the Tigers and also games at Leichhardt Oval. New Zealand needs a second NRL side not 50% of one.
 
  • If Wests assumes sole control of the joint venture's NSW Cup team: This would leave Balmain without an immediate presence in the second-tier competition, a significant disadvantage for any potential merger with the Kea.
  • If Balmain retains a share of the NSW Cup team or establishes a new one: They would need to source players and funding, which could be challenging given their smaller resource base.
Balmain were linked to the Eels before merging with the Mags so maybe Balmain would replace Wentworthville as Parra's reserve grade team
 
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Who'd Care if a Kea team was started up that would end up playing the vast majority of it's home games at Leichhardt? (Balmain would rightly insist in any agreement with them Sheep Shaggers From Christchurch that that's where the team would be based, ultimately, given that the NRL appear to have turned down a based-in-Christchurch team.)
 
I honestly think everyone on this side of the Tasman (off-topic, but I hate people referring to the Tasman as "the Ditch" more than I can express, but anyhoo!) should cool their jets for a couple of seasons at least. Most of last years "Sell Out Every Game" Season (And there were enough empty seats regularly enough to prove that just because people bought tickets didn't mean they'd turn up to watch those shit Warriors, maybe some ticket buyers gave them to people they didn't like :), but even so, MSS often didn't look as "Sold Out" as "Sold Out" should look, up until SJ's Last Hurrah) was based on pre-season "This is IT! OUR YEAR! Let's get SEASON TICKETS!" wild not-really-justified enthusiasm. 2025 will be very interesting as to the level of Not-Rusted-On-Fan engagement, JFH signing and performances notwithstanding..
 
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I think any long distance partnership is doomed to fail. The NRL are using Norths to set up the Perth franchise. In 10 years it will be exclusively a Perth team with the Norths link similar to the Storm having feeder teams in Queensland cup. Irrelevant.

The Tigers assisting a SI team would end the same. The NRL wants the Perth and SI teams with any Sydney partners merely a pawn to use and then discard once they have served their purpose.
 
It’s ridiculous to even entertain the idea of Balmain coming back in any form.
Balmain has been gone for 1/4 of a century, and a generation has passed only knowing the JV- why cater to a generation that won’t be here much longer and the younger generation will likely stay with West’s.
Leichhardt is a run down shit hole that has next to zero parking and is right in a residential area I’m really not sure why the obsession with it continues.
Balmain is already in direct proximity to Roosters and South’s territory and surrounded by Canterbury and parramatta catchments and has no where to grow.
The demographics have changed dramatically from the working class factory and wharfie culture to a gentrified multicultural highly affluent area.
Can’t see South islanders being too happy about receiving a hand me down team which is the shit partner of the shittest team of the last decade +
Just reeks of desperation, if South Island had a deal to use Balmain as a feeder team-sure but otherwise keep out of it.
Balmain would be better hitching their wagon to Brisbane Tigers to see there brand survive as Brisbane 3
 
It’s ridiculous to even entertain the idea of Balmain coming back in any form.
Balmain has been gone for 1/4 of a century, and a generation has passed only knowing the JV- why cater to a generation that won’t be here much longer and the younger generation will likely stay with West’s.
Leichhardt is a run down shit hole that has next to zero parking and is right in a residential area I’m really not sure why the obsession with it continues.
Balmain is already in direct proximity to Roosters and South’s territory and surrounded by Canterbury and parramatta catchments and has no where to grow.
The demographics have changed dramatically from the working class factory and wharfie culture to a gentrified multicultural highly affluent area.
Can’t see South islanders being too happy about receiving a hand me down team which is the shit partner of the shittest team of the last decade +
Just reeks of desperation, if South Island had a deal to use Balmain as a feeder team-sure but otherwise keep out of it.
Balmain would be better hitching their wagon to Brisbane Tigers to see there brand survive as Brisbane 3
Pretty much agree with this
 
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Manly where able to come back after the Northern Eagles collapse because they owned the license. Who owns the Wests Tigers license? I don't want to assume.
 
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