General Best NSW cup or Junior.

[sup42]

Hi all, after causing a lot of cross talk in a player thread I thought I better repent and more importantly do penance.

Hopefully I have not left out any of the main prospects.

These are all great players.

My pick of the bunch goes to Jacob Laban, last year I would have said Ali by a nose, but Jacob by the sounds pipped Ali at training in the offseason, so he is my guy for sure.

If I had a top five It would go

Laban
Ali
Halasima
Sefakula
Zyon Maiu’u Maiú.

 

[run_it_str8_again]

Halasima for no real reason

Laban is the most recent first grade measure.

Thinking about it, it might be Leiataua because of his position.

 

[sup42]

Halasima for no real reason

Laban is the most recent first grade measure.

Thinking about it, it might be Leiataua because of his position.

A lot of knowledgeable posters are hot on Leka and actual Rugby league experts.

That is purely off what he shows talent wise, and then you throw in the big unit thing for his age and it feels as though he could be the one Morpheus has been looking for.

Good tactical nous there bro, picking a center in a Sausage fest of Forwards.

 

[sup42]

My smokey is Moala Graham Taufa.
I would like to see him change some body fat to lean muscle mass though, I think if he did that, if he trained like an Olympic sprinter, that he would be a super star.
He is quick already for a big guy.
He is bullocking in his playing style, very much the Penrith power back type (but needs better speed to power ratio as I keep saying).

Not saying that he is slow, he is a power winger so top end speed is not everything, you only need to be quick enough to finish as a power winger, not fastest to go length of the field, but a little more speed means more tackle busts. A leaner build means better defence.

And to me he looks hungry (needs to stop being hungry at meal times tho).

 

[run_it_str8_again]

Im hoping we can develop home grown props to lay the foundations for our field position. But really what I perceive is that development is taking shape in a faster pace than I anticipated. But perhaps that's because of some of these boys growth spurts like being the size of Addin at age 8. And still at age 62.

 

[JustLikeStartingOver]

I don’t think there is anyway Leiataua isn’t at least as good as Pompey but with more explosiveness and aggression, which would make him one of the better centers in the comp for many years. This is his age 21 season, can we hold him in reserve until Rogers contract runs out? Berry wont be going anywhere on the other side.

Which would mean a starting spot when he’s 24, Iro at the sharks has just seemingly gotten a starting spot at 24 this year too.

Forwards wouldn’t give an opinion, fitness and durability seem to be just as important as footwork or speed these days, especially given the way we play. TSS with his bald head and mo looks like he lied on his birth certificate though.

 

[Cces]

At 25 years of age I doubt we'll see Setu Tu get a crack or Paul Roache feature much more in first grade at any club. Despite being 27 I think Kalani Going could find a spot elsewhere to carve out a decent NRL career but I can't see it at our club.
Confident the others will get a lot of Warriors caps between them but wouldn't be surprised to see Moala-Graham look further afield as he, like Going & Roache, must only be on a NSW Cup contract

 

[Riz]

I've got massive wraps on Sio Kali, I could see him as a long term option on the wing in a few years time, possibly taking Marcelos spot when he moves on. Good speed, good footwork, good in the air. Time will tell if he can be effective coming out of our own end which is my only reservation. Definitely one to keep an eye on.

 

[Cces]

I've got massive wraps on Sio Kali, I could see him as a long term option on the wing in a few years time, possibly taking Marcelos spot when he moves on. Good speed, good footwork, good in the air. Time will tell if he can be effective coming out of our own end which is my only reservation. Definitely one to keep an eye on.

Thought Lucky Kali might have featured in SG Ball this year. Five&Last or Viking do you know what he's up to?

 

[sup42]

Im hoping we can develop home grown props to lay the foundations for our field position. But really what I perceive is that development is taking shape in a faster pace than I anticipated. But perhaps that's because of some of these boys growth spurts like being the size of Addin at age 8. And still at age 62.

Prop should be at the forefront of any Warriors recruitment and development discussion.
New Zealand in the past was called the big dude factory by the GOAT Joey Johns.

That has become somewhat of a joke of late, Blocker Roaches 'the big Warrios are tiring' is an NRL in joke. It shouldn't be, given that Prop is a position our talent Scouts have failed miserably with when you look at honest cold hard truth that the best NZ Props all play for Aussie clubs.

Worse still, Prop has become the most valuable player in salary cap terms in the NRL. Over taking fullback.

At the moment New Zealand is still the hotbed for loose forward, back rower types. Which pretty much means our future props end up being converts from their non specialist schooling in the back row.

How I would love to see the Warriors scout young props who stay props.

Tom Ale is a great recent example. A thirteen prospect, dominant in NSW cup, forced up to propping in the NRL.

People are already talking about converting Laban to Prop because of his size (I do not hate the idea, but it is more of the same...more of the Warriors unable to find the best young props in the country.

 

[BangBro's (still banging)]

I'm sticking with Ali Leiataua as the best centre prodigy our club has produced.

 

[BangBro's (still banging)]

My smokey is Moala Graham Taufa.
I would like to see him change some body fat to lean muscle mass though, I think if he did that, if he trained like an Olympic sprinter, that he would be a super star.
He is quick already for a big guy.
He is bullocking in his playing style, very much the Penrith power back type (but needs better speed to power ratio as I keep saying).

Not saying that he is slow, he is a power winger so top end speed is not everything, you only need to be quick enough to finish as a power winger, not fastest to go length of the field, but a little more speed means more tackle busts. A leaner build means better defence.

And to me he looks hungry (needs to stop being hungry at meal times tho).

He's got to be close to an nrl contract, either here or somewhere else.

 

[run_it_str8_again]

Prop should be at the forefront of any Warriors recruitment and development discussion.
New Zealand in the past was called the big dude factory by the GOAT Joey Johns.

That has become somewhat of a joke of late, given that Prop is a position our talent Scouts have failed miserably with when you look at honest cold hard truth that the best NZ Props all play for Aussie clubs.

Worse still, Prop has become the most valuable player in salary cap terms in the NRL. Over taking fullback.

At the moment New Zealand is still the hotbed for loose forward, back rower types. Which pretty much means our future props end up being converts from their non specialist schooling in the back row.

How I would love to see the Warriors scout young props who stay props.

Tom Ale is a great recent example. A thirteen prospect, dominant in NSW cup, forced up to propping in the NRL.

People are already talking about converting Laban to Prop because of his size (I do not hate the idea, but it is more of the same...more of the Warriors scouting idiots unable to find the best young props in the country.... this pure lazy ignorant Scouting nonsense. Flooding your Scout book with backrowers is the lazy safe way to say your portfolio has utility....hey kients, how about signing specialists from the craddle. Rather than playing it vanilla and using non Props to plug a propping gap, a lack of specialization in that role).

I think the message is clear. The Scouts need a massive kick up the arse and to be charged with finding the next NAS, JFH, Tapine, before every other club finds them.

The biggest blight on our scouts is that Prop is the number one target and they have failed a generation of talent to take even one of the best from the local scene.

Things locally are so bad scouting wise, that the Warriors coaching staff have to consider Jazz Tevanga as a middle utility, that should never happen at top four organization that knows what it is doing.

Some positions can be covered by utility but some I prefer to be specialist.

The Burgess body type is too big to keep up these days but Addin and Haas show a balance of size power agility soft hands and motor with endurance. If we prioritise small props then I'd specify that they be angry violent aggressive mongrels. With a touch of skill.

Must be quite the science to recruit and develop the Taumalolo's, AFB's, Haas' etc.

 

[sup42]

Some positions can be covered by utility but some I prefer to be specialist.

The Burgess body type is too big to keep up these days but Addin and Haas show a balance of size power agility soft hands and motor with endurance. If we prioritise small props then I'd specify that they be angry violent aggressive mongrels. With a touch of skill.

Must be quite the science to recruit and develop the Taumalolo's, AFB's, Haas' etc.

Bro the 'experts would have you believe the metrics on finding a prop is complicated'.

It is not.

The best props in the NRL of this generation have all been big people with big engines.

In other words, a really fucken easy metric to finding the next star Prop is...

Basically a simple ratio of who is biggest times their ability to play in the Anaerobic zone.

Whomever that kid is, is the next million dollar player prospect in the NRL.

Warriors scouts mean time are looking for the next Manu Vatuvie or SBW.

Dumb asses if you ask me...look at our propping crises and ask why the NZ scouts were so shit they created it in the first place....answer is....because they are shit. They have been shit since nineteen ninety five. True story, the worst handicap of the Warriors has been its talent Scouts being pipped by every club in the NRL for the best of NZs talent.

Kiwi selection since the Warriors came along is the most damming indictment on this stinking rotting shithouse club for recruitment.

Warriors players making it into the Kiwis have been few and far between.

Compare that to Superstar Queensland line ups like the Broncos making the Kangaroos....a sure sign of a healthy nursery, while the Warriors are picked in ones and twos for the national side.....

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Bro the 'experts would have you believe the metrics on finding a prop is complicated'.

It is not.

The best props in the NRL of this generation have all been big people with big engines.

In other words, a really fucken easy metric to finding the next star Prop is...

Basically a simple ratio of who is biggest times their ability to play in the Anaerobic zone.

Whomever that kid is, is the next million dollar player prospect in the NRL.

Warriors scouts mean time are looking for the next Manu Vatuvie or SBW.

Dumb asses if you ask me...look at our propping crises and ask why the NZ scouts were so shit they created it in the first place....answer is....because they are shit. They have been shit since nineteen ninety five. True story, the worst handicap of the Warriors has been its talent Scouts being pipped by every club in the NRL for the best of NZs talent.

Kiwi selection since the Warriors came along is the most damming indictment on this stinking rotting shithouse club for recruitment.

Warriors players making it into the Kiwis have been few and far between.

Compare that to Superstar Queensland line ups like the Broncos making the Kangaroos....a sure sign of a healthy nursery, while the Warriors are picked in ones and twos for the national side.....

I think it’s more complicated than just the scouts not spotting talent. The scouts need a marketable club to actually sign the talented kids.

In the past when multiple clubs chase a talent the kids chose the Broncos or Storm or Roosters over the Warriors.

I don’t think it’s all the scouts fault, it’s as much a reflection of our lack of success and poor development once we get players.

Hopefully that’s all changed recently.

 

[Falcon]

Prop should be at the forefront of any Warriors recruitment and development discussion.
New Zealand in the past was called the big dude factory by the GOAT Joey Johns.

That has become somewhat of a joke of late, given that Prop is a position our talent Scouts have failed miserably with when you look at honest cold hard truth that the best NZ Props all play for Aussie clubs.

Worse still, Prop has become the most valuable player in salary cap terms in the NRL. Over taking fullback.

At the moment New Zealand is still the hotbed for loose forward, back rower types. Which pretty much means our future props end up being converts from their non specialist schooling in the back row.

How I would love to see the Warriors scout young props who stay props.

Tom Ale is a great recent example. A thirteen prospect, dominant in NSW cup, forced up to propping in the NRL.

People are already talking about converting Laban to Prop because of his size (I do not hate the idea, but it is more of the same...more of the Warriors scouting idiots unable to find the best young props in the country.... this pure lazy ignorant Scouting nonsense. Flooding your Scout book with backrowers is the lazy safe way to say your portfolio has utility....hey kients, how about signing specialists from the craddle. Rather than playing it vanilla and using non Props to plug a propping gap, a lack of specialization in that role).

I think the message is clear. The Scouts need a massive kick up the arse and to be charged with finding the next NAS, JFH, Tapine, before every other club finds them.

The biggest blight on our scouts is that Prop is the number one target for all clubs NRL wide, and they have failed a generation of talent to take even one of the best from the local scene.

Things locally are so bad scouting wise, that the Warriors coaching staff have to consider Jazz Tevanga as a middle utility, that should never happen at top four organization that knows what it is doing.

Interesting reading many comments about Laban being a big frame so he should be converted to a front rower, why? You need attacking threats across the park and a big, mobile, skilful 2nd rower is a weapon you need to create scoring opportunities.

 

[Viking]

Interesting reading many comments about Laban being a big frame so he should be converted to a front rower, why? You need attacking threats across the park and a big, mobile, skilful 2nd rower is a weapon you need to create scoring opportunities.

Yeah I said that but not because I actually think he should go to prop.

Check through our top 30 and we only have 3 players listed at prop. 13 of our 19 forwards are listed as either 2nd row or lock. They need to either buy Addin's replacement or create one.

He's got a bit of height and he's listed at 110kgs which puts him at equal 3rd heaviest in the 30 after Addin and Tohu. He's probably the likeliest candidate for conversion.

Edit: He's 4th heaviest now, Bunty's 113kgs this year.

 

[Viking]

Thought Lucky Kali might have featured in SG Ball this year. Five&Last or Viking do you know what he's up to?

He could be injured or he might just not be making the cut for Ball. I haven't seen him at all this year but it's not like I'm in the loop for that age grade really. Some of the younger St Pauls boys were told they couldn't play pre season league comps if they wanted to play 1st 15 this year but I doubt that would apply to Lucky.

 

[Viking]

Prop should be at the forefront of any Warriors recruitment and development discussion.
New Zealand in the past was called the big dude factory by the GOAT Joey Johns.

That has become somewhat of a joke of late, Blocker Roaches 'the big Warrios are tiring' is an NRL in joke. It shouldn't be, given that Prop is a position our talent Scouts have failed miserably with when you look at honest cold hard truth that the best NZ Props all play for Aussie clubs.

Worse still, Prop has become the most valuable player in salary cap terms in the NRL. Over taking fullback.

At the moment New Zealand is still the hotbed for loose forward, back rower types. Which pretty much means our future props end up being converts from their non specialist schooling in the back row.

How I would love to see the Warriors scout young props who stay props.

Tom Ale is a great recent example. A thirteen prospect, dominant in NSW cup, forced up to propping in the NRL.

People are already talking about converting Laban to Prop because of his size (I do not hate the idea, but it is more of the same...more of the Warriors scouting idiots unable to find the best young props in the country.... this is pure lazy ignorant Scouting nonsense.

Flooding your Scout book with backrowers is the lazy safe way to say your portfolio has utility....this a cop out borrowed by Scouts from econmics 101...signing backrowers is akin to diversifying your portfolio in the stock market.
The real recruitment stars are able to pick the next best thing in the hot market space....the NRL propping investment game.

hey kients, how about signing specialists from the craddle. Rather than playing it vanilla and using non Props to plug a propping gap, a lack of specialization in that role).

I think the message is clear. The Scouts need a massive kick up the arse and to be charged with finding the next NAS, JFH, Tapine, before every other club finds them.

The biggest blight on our scouts is that Prop is the number one target for all clubs NRL wide, and they have failed a generation of talent to take even one of the best from the local scene.

Things locally are so bad scouting wise, that the Warriors coaching staff have to consider Jazz Tevanga as a middle utility, that should never happen at top four organization that knows what it is doing.

Mate, they're just aren't a lot of props around in the younger grades and it's the hardest position to predict who will be suitable when they haven't fully grown yet. There's the gems like NAS, Tino and Haas but the rest you just don't know. And as props grow, they can get tall and lean and then you've got another 2nd row candidate. If they're mentally tough, it's usually because they were smaller than the rest and you end up with a Jazz, a valuable type of player that every team needs but not a prop.

I've watched players from outside of Auckland in the 15-16 grade group compete in the preseason but saw no props that I thought were worth the club taking a punt on yet. If there are any gems out in rural NZ that would be suitable and are actually playing union and\or league, I can promise you that the Warriors and the other NRL clubs have already seen them.

The club has done well picking up Bishop Neal, he could've got a contract anywhere. But they can train him daily for years, he's still only a 50/50 chance of being a first grader at best.

 

[WahsUltras]