You do realise concussion effects decision making yeah?
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Player Eliesa Katoa
- Thread starter Inruin
- Start date
- Full Name
- Eliesa Katoa
- Date of Birth
- Jan 3, 2000
- Birth Location
- Hihifo, Niuatoputapu, Tonga
- Nationality
- 🇳🇿 New Zealand
- 🇹🇴 Tonga
- Height (cm)
- 193 cm
- Weight (kg)
- 110 kg
- Position/s
- Second Row
- Warrior #
- 241
- NRL Debut Date
- Mar 14, 2020
- NRL Debut Details
- 2020, Round 1, New Zealand Warriors vs Newcastle Knights
- Warriors Debut Date
- Mar 14, 2020
- Warriors Debut Details
- 2020, Round 1, Newcastle Knights
- Warriors Years Active
- 2020
- 2021
- 2022
- College/s
- Tamaki College
- Signed To
- Melbourne Storm
- Current Club
- Melbourne Storm
- Status
- Active
- Rugby League Project
- https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/eliesa-katoa/summary.html
100% Eli likely didn’t let on how bad the hit rocked him- he’d not wanna feel like he’s letting his team down and would be itching to play.
This situation though needs to be taken completely out of the players hands as they’re in no state to make rational decisions
I'm certainly not excusing the coaches and medical team. They shoulder the blame
But players need to look out for themselves too. If a 5/8 can pull himself from the game for self preservation, then a player should also do the same if they feel like their head has been snapped back and they feel groggy.
It's accepted to put your hand up if you've pulled a muscle. But nobody puts their hand up if they are seeing stars. The culture isn't to do so, but needs to change, particularly with everything we read about CTE
The whole game puts all the onus on the medical staff. Which is fine, but an upshot of that is everyone (players, coaches, refs, fans) expects that it's play on if the medical staff don't say anything. That's not a strong enough system to prevent this sort of thing happening
But players need to look out for themselves too. If a 5/8 can pull himself from the game for self preservation, then a player should also do the same if they feel like their head has been snapped back and they feel groggy.
It's accepted to put your hand up if you've pulled a muscle. But nobody puts their hand up if they are seeing stars. The culture isn't to do so, but needs to change, particularly with everything we read about CTE
The whole game puts all the onus on the medical staff. Which is fine, but an upshot of that is everyone (players, coaches, refs, fans) expects that it's play on if the medical staff don't say anything. That's not a strong enough system to prevent this sort of thing happening
I deffo see where you're coming from, but imo you then open yourself up to a lot of madness...
Kikau got hit in the head during one of their finals appearance, and while he was cleared and came back on, after the game he declared that he essentially wouldn't go and see a doctor that following week, in case he had a fracture and couldn't play. Some applauded his mentality in the media but I was thinking what the actual fook....
Imo if you give the player the chance, you're going to have many players trying to be tough nuts, and we'd see several serious injuries as a result
This saga is a textbook example of why the independent doctors were brought into contact sports in the first place.
You cannot trust a player to do what’s in his long term best health interests. You cannot trust the team to do it either.
Tough guys will pretend they aren’t hurt and teams will do what they need to in order to win.
It’s disgusting and everyone high enough in the Tonga coaching staff should get sanctioned. If you make coaches liable it will sort itself quick asf.
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I recorded sharko on Sunday and finally watched it last night, the documentary about Mark Graham. I feel like the type of attitude from that era is still present today and it viewed as a badge of honour to line up to play no matter the ailment and viewed as letting coaches, players, fans and the club down. Even the nrl plays up to this with the likes of DWZ one of the most criticised for staying down, and the nrl tries to encourage the player to get up despite the potential effects of an illegal tackle and deemed a hollywood. You can see players try to hide the effects at times when hit high knowing they’re going to be taken to the sideline
I watched the show with interest as I played in the era and against Mark Graham. I think our ignorance on the subject was the biggest problem as we never heard or thought about the damage that might be occurring. Only now that science has caught up and increased the awareness.
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With the effects of boxers being known for some time and the nfl having lawsuits decades ago, it seems ignorant to the point of ridiculous to think there not be consideration that similar things were happening. His era and yours had to contend with players deliberately harming him any way possible to which those days seem largely gone
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Send 'em back to Tier 3!!
The effects of head knocks have been known for a very long time. It's just that an African doctor made a best seller outlining them and it got focused on. During the 20th century men were expected to be tough and out-staunching other men was a badge of honour. 'Red-blooded mate!'.
It's wokism which, although I don't agree with it, has pulled the staunch back quite a lot. We're never in middle ground: either too staunch or too soft. We should be balanced as 'protectors'. IMO.
Wokism????? Really. Sure.
Absolutely Noitall. I accidentally ( of course ) hit an opponent around the head and at half time the coach said " good tackle ".
Things were pretty ruthless in those days of unlimited tackles. Changed for the better
In the game sure but if he’s 100% responsible all the time does that mean the independent doctor must watch every single player 24 hours a day outside the game?
The critics factor was it wasn’t during the game and the doctors may have not known, and not be expected to know, unless someone tells him. So surely outside the game it’s on the player and staff to tell the doctors?
My view is that it should be a collective responsibility for player welfare. As in, if a player or coaching staff sees something, they should raise it
Doctors aren't infallible. It is an inexact science. They might be looking the other way at the time or just plain get it wrong. And they do rely on the patient to communicate
This idea that "the doc cleared it" seems to be the attitude to wash the coaching staff's hands of responsibility. Which isn't right
Doctors aren't infallible. It is an inexact science. They might be looking the other way at the time or just plain get it wrong. And they do rely on the patient to communicate
This idea that "the doc cleared it" seems to be the attitude to wash the coaching staff's hands of responsibility. Which isn't right
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Agreed and pretty much what they they teach in most health and safety courses/inductions in nz/aus
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The one perfect time for independent doctors to show why they are there not just to stifle attacking team’s momentum or take star players off the championship minutes for a slap on the face, and instead we got a guy with acute brain bleed after 3 knocks on the field 
And the whole point of the concussion protocol of the last decade was for older men to prevent young dudes from destroying their brains, if the players get the blame then it means the system failed epically, it’s like leaving a gun in the toddler room or Alex Baldwin shooting a live round at his cinematographer, we can blame the girl for standing behind the camera filming a gun or the failure of health and safety policy
And the whole point of the concussion protocol of the last decade was for older men to prevent young dudes from destroying their brains, if the players get the blame then it means the system failed epically, it’s like leaving a gun in the toddler room or Alex Baldwin shooting a live round at his cinematographer, we can blame the girl for standing behind the camera filming a gun or the failure of health and safety policy
Hahaha. Two thousand unemployed comedians in NZ and you are trying to be one.We’ve come a long way since the Stone Age
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It’s insane after his second knock they let him back on, even the viewers knew he got knocked down during warm up, medical history should be taken into account with these assessments
That’s giving the benefit of the doubt that he recovered after the first with or without HIA